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5.16am
18 November 2011
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That sounds dirty, doesn't it?
On "I Wanna Be Your Man" George Martin "thickened" John's guitar sound by adding a Hammond Organ overdub and blending them (He plays a clearly audible descending glissando after the first and third verses).
Can anyone with a good set of ears determine what exactly Mr. Martin is playing during the verse? Even listening to the isolated tracks, the sounds blend together too well for me to aurally "separate" the guitar and organ.
It's a total throwaway song, but I've always liked the instrumentation.
2.06pm
10 August 2011
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"It's a total throwaway song"
Maybe not completely. They did record it and release it after all (in contradistinction to "World Without Love" and other real throwaways) + played it during one of his tours (Paul Is Live maybe).
(P.S. sorry, don't have an answer to your question!)
2.44pm
1 December 2009
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I don't think "A World Without Love" is a throwaway! (A giveaway, sure.) I would've liked to have heard a Beatle version of it. Maybe as the "missing" 14th song on AHDN.
(I can't answer the thread question either.)
5.16pm
1 November 2012
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RunForYourLife said
That sounds dirty, doesn't it?On "I Wanna Be Your Man" George Martin "thickened" John's guitar sound by adding a Hammond Organ overdub and blending them (He plays a clearly audible descending glissando after the first and third verses).
Can anyone with a good set of ears determine what exactly Mr. Martin is playing during the verse? Even listening to the isolated tracks, the sounds blend together too well for me to aurally "separate" the guitar and organ.
It's a total throwaway song, but I've always liked the instrumentation.
Also don't have an answer, but I have a question: I read in the comments to the German version of "I Wanna Hold Your Man" ("Komm, Gib Mir Deine Hand") that Martin similarly beefed up John's guitar with an organ; yet Joe (owner of this site) seemed to imply that the organish sound was entirely due to John's specially "compressed" guitar. What say you?
12.51am
18 November 2011
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Funny Paper said
Also don't have an answer, but I have a question: I read in the comments to the German version of "I Wanna Hold Your Man" ("Komm, Gib Mir Deine Hand") that Martin similarly beefed up John's guitar with an organ; yet Joe (owner of this site) seemed to imply that the organish sound was entirely due to John's specially "compressed" guitar. What say you?
I've seen testimony of folks who have listened to the master tapes, and most of them say that unusual tone is just John pounding away on his Ric with heavy compression. I can hear something that sounds kind of like an organ hidden there, but I'm sticking with the "guitar only" theory until there's some definitive proof otherwise.
8.28am
27 December 2012
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RunForYourLife said
Funny Paper said
Also don't have an answer, but I have a question: I read in the comments to the German version of "I Wanna Hold Your Man" ("Komm, Gib Mir Deine Hand") that Martin similarly beefed up John's guitar with an organ; yet Joe (owner of this site) seemed to imply that the organish sound was entirely due to John's specially "compressed" guitar. What say you?
I've seen testimony of folks who have listened to the master tapes, and most of them say that unusual tone is just John pounding away on his Ric with heavy compression. I can hear something that sounds kind of like an organ hidden there, but I'm sticking with the "guitar only" theory until there's some definitive proof otherwise.
Confused here, what's I wanna hold your man? I do hear the "glissando" part you're talking about, but I am not sure if it's an organ or guitar.
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6.43pm
1 November 2012
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Sorry, that was a typo for "Hand"
9.48pm
21 November 2012
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I'm REALLY deaf, apparently xD I've never heard the SH thing in I want to hold your hand AND I've never heard the organ in I wanna be your man either. I didn't know it had an organ until I read it on here haha. I did hear it in the Anthology version though.
7.21pm
18 November 2011
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To clarify…
"I Want To Hold Your Hand" is the song with the controversial and unconfirmed organ overdub.
"I Wanna Be Your Man" is the song with the audible organ glissando after the verses.
They were both recorded around the same time, and the similar titles are confusing, which leads some to believe that the rumor about an overdub on "Hand" came about as a misunderstanding about the confirmed overdub on "Man".
7.52pm
1 December 2009
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During which sections of "Hand" is the alleged organ most audible? I've never heard anything but guitar/bass myself.
11.02pm
21 November 2012
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I know, I haven't heard it on either song.
11.15pm
1 December 2009
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But it's easy to hear in "I Wanna Be Your Man"! Or it should be.
4.50am
18 November 2011
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vonbontee said
During which sections of "Hand" is the alleged organ most audible? I've never heard anything but guitar/bass myself.
I believe the idea is that the organ doubles the C to D bit in the intro, then plays quarter notes in unison with John's guitar during the verses to "fatten" up the sound. Listening to the isolated tracks, however, I can hear that it's just the Rickenbacker getting an unusual, raunchy tone, combined with a ton of compression (It's hard to hear on the finished song, but it has a nice little "crunch" to it).
4.54am
18 November 2011
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Linde said
I know, I haven't heard it on either song.
On "I Wanna Be Your Man", after the 1st and third verses, Martin slides down the keyboard audibly. Then during the outro, he plays a little riff on it several times.
5.09pm
1 December 2009
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OK thanks for that, I know what you mean, I can almost hear the alleged parts in my head right now!
I still don't think it sounds organ-like, really, but I can imagine other people thinking that.
5.21pm
17 December 2012
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vonbontee said
OK thanks for that, I know what you mean, I can almost hear the alleged parts in my head right now!I still don't think it sounds organ-like, really, but I can imagine other people thinking that.
Back to my trusty The Complete Beatles Recording Sessions and Mark Lewisohn, Monday 30 September 1963: "The Beatles were out of the country on well-deserved holidays when this session took place… George Martin overdubbed… Hammond organ on I Wanna Be Your Man (the 'best' being take 13)."
Hope that helps.
5.24pm
1 December 2009
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No, I was talking about "…Hold Your Hand". The organ on "…Be Your Man" is easily apparent.
5.35pm
17 December 2012
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Sorry, got confused by post above being about "…Man", "…Hand" Lewisohn says they had perfected when they walked into the studio on 17 October, bar a couple of vocal experiments (including "take four – saw Paul introduce the not uncommon 1963 Beatle 'h' into words (shay that shomthing)." – but that's another thread!). No talk of Martin on Hammond during the session, and no later overdub.
7.14pm
21 November 2012
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RunForYourLife said
Linde said
I know, I haven't heard it on either song.On "I Wanna Be Your Man", after the 1st and third verses, Martin slides down the keyboard audibly. Then during the outro, he plays a little riff on it several times.
Oh okay. Going to listen to it again with my earphones on and the sound on blowingmyearsoutofmyhead and then I'll probably finally hear it, like the sh thing in ''Hand'' haha.
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