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1.04am
26 March 2012
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sinco said
Looking forward to the show-stealer thread in the future!
God, I'm not.
1.34am
1 May 2011
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Im waiting for the "Best Beatle Drummer – Ringo v Paul" thread where its claimed Pauls drumming on Back On The USSR, Dear Prudence, Ballad of Joko and a few others give him the edge but its damn close. Dont forget Paul suggested the drums on Ticket To Ride.
2.06am
17 December 2012
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How about we just set up a paulsbass thread where he is allowed to be 110% right, and we can disagree venomously but let him win, but on everything else he has to stick to it being his opinion and not the word of God?
Hell, I can point to two quotes from McCartney where the facts show McCartney got it wrong.
But this is meant to be a thread about the "yeah's" at the end of WMGGW!
George! George! George! (95% sure). Might be Macca.
2.14am
19 September 2012
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Ben Ramon said
sinco said
Looking forward to the show-stealer thread in the future!God, I'm not.
Haha! Well I always look forward to ANYTHING Beatles related 
9.18am
12 March 2010
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Ben Ramon said
It's understandable, but I think you're putting too much emphasis on the notion that they are denying Paul something. Nobody ever claimed that Paul was any less cooler for not doing the "yeahs" at the end of this song. People are just stating who they think it sounds like, and therefore who they think it is, and there's no need to really defend Paul so vehemently when nobody has attacked him.
I totally agree, and I didn't even feel that way. Only then mmm stepped up and accused me of hailing Paul over all of the others ALL THE TIME, which I never did and never will. Then my statement somehow became more of a general one.
If another poster says "I think it's George," then you step in to correct them every time. But disagreements arise because you are going out of your way to correct them, rather than just leaving them to think whatever they want and let yourself do the same.
Yep, agreed, and I wrote explicitly how I recognized that motion.
I respect your championing of Paul, and I'm glad there are people as passionate as you around to make sure that he gets his credit and due for the important role he played in the band (apologies for my being snappy earlier in the thread). But if you know it's Paul, there's not much point stepping in to remind everyone that they are wrong.
I know. I tried several times to expicitly explain my feelings.
To be honest I'm sorely regretting having started this thread, I showed a lack of judgement in making it when obviously these matters were going to arise. I think I'll just forget my debate with my friend (he's probably forgotten it anyway).
Tell me about it!
As I wrote many a times I NEVER, EVER expected that "Aaaah" matter to become such a monster.
9.21am
12 March 2010
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meanmistermustard said
Its just a sad state of affairs that if ever a topic comes up about who did what and Paul is involved it becomes a matter of 'its Paul and everyone else is dead wrong for daring to think never mind write anything else and must be spoken down to for thinking anything else'. I know its going to happen as soon as the first post is made and so a sense of dread and heaviness comes.
That is something very close to a lie, but I know you're just trying to make you point.
Remember, it was YOU who started the accusations, you even apologized for it in the next sentence.
And apologies to all for my posts above,
Yeah, whatever, you still blame me for everything bad that happened.
i want this place to be peaceful and respectful as much as anyone, its one of the great things about the site.
Yeah, whatever, so did I.
9.37am
12 March 2010
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mja6758 said
Agree with all you say. Been reading lots of threads since discovering site and certain things do happen when Thumbs Aloft gets a mention. I don't think there's any need for apologies from you. This thread was only thrown off by one person's attitude. If you note my post above you're not the only one who disagrees with HofnerViolin's approach to matters Mac.
(I mean paulsbass obviously!
too bad there isn't a *face palm* Beatle around here…
Ok, time to bring up the condescending attitude again.
Nope, I'm trying to be nice and just deleted all the stuff I just wrote.
"Certain things" happen when other posters try to bullshit me and don't have anything fundamental to say.
I am very probably thrice you age and have been around here much longer, but you know what?
You did it.
I'm done with this place. I done with some teenies trying to be clever with me.
As I tried to explain here and in that other thread I can't help it when I know I'm right.
If you are not able to identify the Beatles' voices, it's not my fault. What am I supposed to do, pretend to NOT knowing I'm right?
I admitted my mistake of coming across as arrogant several times, here and elsewhere.
I came to this site to enjoy and celebrate the music of my favourite band.
Instead, I've met nutjob who claimed that George was a better bass player than Paul.
And not a single days passes without these ridiculous "Paul against the others" fights.
I am not keen at all on these fight, not AT ALL.
But when someone aks "do you think this is Paul" I'm going to answer the question, and when I'm dead sure I'm right I will express my confidence about it.
Then suddenly some freaks arrive and blame me for seeing the sun shine out of Paul's ass, while it's in fact their own attitude they feel about John or George, or their own insecurity, I don't know.
I learned a lot about the Fab Four in this place, and I will surely come back to the songs pages to check out informations from time to time.
But I'm done with the forum.
Í'm still glad I met a few people here who were able to understand my feelings.
Thanks Joe for making it possible, and sorry for all the trouble I caused.
I never intended to do so.
12.11pm
17 December 2012
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I don't think anyone was trying to drive you from site, and hope you'll reconsider. I've said elsewhere in this thread that some of your contributions are great, but that where you disagree with others opinions, you should stick to "I believe" rather than "I'm a 110%" right.
There's things I believe I'm dead right on, but stick to offering my contributions as opinion and not fact.
Your attitude would make more sense were we talking about a lead vocal, but background vocals aren't always as clear as all that. We should be able to debate here, and not get caught up in I'm right and you're wrong.
I apologise if you found me too aggressive in my reactions to what was happening between yourself and meanmistermustard. I just believe he had a valid point. If you hadn't made the "110%" comment things would have turned out differently.
A couple of points on your assumptions though. I am a great lover of McCartney. I do not believe the band would have existed and had the impact they did without him. I believe that, for a few glorious years, the sun shone out of all their asses. Possible I'm a nutjob, but I'm not a nutjob who claimed George was a better bass player than Paul (or could ever think that). Teenie? I wish. I had my twenty-first birthday when you were fourteen. If you were thrice my age, that would make 135!
This is, however, an olive branch. All people seemed to me to be asking was that as sure as you are of your opinion, you allow others theirs. Reading through the various threads over the past few months (I was exploring the site long before I joined) many of your contributions have been insightful and informative. It's just that sometimes… and last night people reacted to one of those sometimes.
I for one would be saddened to see you leave the forum, and hope you change your mind.
Best wishes. Peace and love.
12.27pm
26 December 2012
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I do believe that the only way someone can be 110% Correct in this instance is, 1:Paulsbass was in the studio when this was recorded. 2: He heard it straight from the horses, (or the Beatles), mouth. Since neither have been put forward as reasons/validations behind this comment, I can only take that it is INDEED, an opinion. The "I know I'm right, stuff everybody else" attitude will definately not win friends, or influence people, lol. Just makes people form their own opinion… Of you sadly… Def no teenie bopper here either, lol (I wish!).
We all have our opinions & are entitled to them.. Peace and Love
12.58pm
26 March 2012
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I just find it unbelievable that it's too much to ask who sang about ten seconds' worth of a song – not even a highly crucial or remarkable ten seconds – without getting into an argument. There is no competitive element between George and Paul being implied.
I would also like to stress that paulsbass, in every situation I have seen in the past, ALWAYS gives credit to George or John or whoever when he feels that the credit is due. When it comes down to preference obviously he stands his ground with Paul on most things, but the bitchy comments above that criticise him for "always" siding with Paul make no mention of any of the times he has given credit to other Beatles for things that he believes they did.
1.12pm
26 March 2012
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meanmistermustard said
Im waiting for the "Best Beatle Drummer – Ringo v Paul" thread where its claimed Pauls drumming on Back On The USSR, Dear Prudence, Ballad of Joko and a few others give him the edge but its damn close. Dont forget Paul suggested the drums on Ticket To Ride.
You make this sound like a silly opinion, but is it so ridiculous to prefer Paul as a drummer? I prefer Ringo by miles but just because Paul played on less songs doesn't mean you can't prefer his drumming style. I'm sure there are some people who have listened to the songs you mentioned, and the drumming on his solo/Wings work, and thought "hey he's actually a really good drummer, I reckon he's superior to Ringo!" What's the point in having discussion if one opinion is categorically wrong? I have great respect for what you are saying, as I do with paulsbass, and I see where you are coming from- it is annoying. But with this it seems you're exhibiting the same thing you're setting out to criticise.
1.31pm
17 December 2012
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I went over the top with the idea of the "paulsbass thread" but I said before it got to there, and in my last post, that he makes many great contributions and valid points. But he went over the top with the "110%" comment. I could do that all over the place, and I would expect to be pulled up on it. I regret it if he has really left the forum, but I stand by the majority of my comments last night. Opinion is opinion, simple as. Ten seconds shouldn't 'cause all this, but my comment on what was being discussed was that I think it's George. I could have gone the route of paulsbass but wouldn't because there is no definitive evidence one way or another. Much as I admire paulsbass' contributions, and look forward to reading, sometimes you have to accept, however strongly you feel, that it's merely opinion based on your listening and that others may have a different view. Ben Ramon asked a great question, and shouldn't be kicking himself for asking it, but the I'm right and you're wrong got in the way of him being able to judge the responses he was given based on what he thought of them. This thread has become about paulsbass, and much as I'll miss him if he really has gone, I say for not the first time here
1.34pm
26 March 2012
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2:35 in this video, Paul sings a "yeah" which sounds to me rather similar to the "yeahs" at the end of WMG, though it is higher. There are definitely other songs where he sounds similar, I'm trying to think of them.
2.20pm
17 December 2012
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Ah, a valid point, & glad to see you haven't deserted the question Ben. I've listened, heard what you heard, but think it's just phrasing, and all three main vocalists learnt how to phrase in similar fashions to allow their harmonies. Good to be back on topic, and I hope offering something useful. Just an opinion though.
2.30pm
12 November 2012
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If you listen to the song Don't Ever Change on the Live at the BBC album, Paul sounds like George. When you listen to a song where John and Paul sing at the same time, he sounds like John. Paul just has a great way of adapting his voice to the people he sings with. The "yeah" in the video sounds similar to WMGGW. If the yeahs in WMGGW were higher, I would think that Paul was singing. George, on the other hand, couldn't get his voice that high.
5.08pm
26 March 2012
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thewordislove94 said
If you listen to the song Don't Ever Change on the Live at the BBC album, Paul sounds like George. When you listen to a song where John and Paul sing at the same time, he sounds like John. Paul just has a great way of adapting his voice to the people he sings with. The "yeah" in the video sounds similar to WMGGW. If the yeahs in WMGGW were higher, I would think that Paul was singing. George, on the other hand, couldn't get his voice that high.
They are still fairly high anyway- A4s, which are at the upper limit of George's full voice range (I've only ever found two notes by him any higher than that, and they were quite weak and strained). It is those "yeah"s at the end of WMG being sung so naturally that also points to it being Paul for me- I can't hear George hitting those notes with such ease. Also 1:57 in this song, when Paul sings "come on back, come on back", has a similar sound to the WMG notes. Listen to them back-to-back and there's an incredible similarity there. I've never heard George sing a note that sounds like that in any other song.
I've figured that this discussion should be able to continue in peace if I present what I feel to be some evidence to support my opinion.
7.56pm
1 November 2012
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To me, the problem with paulsbass is not that he's being extreme about defending Paul; it's simply his apodictic insistence that his opinion is fact. As someone noted above, if paulsbass had the smoking gun proof -- Paul himself stating in an interview that he sang those "yeahs" -- that would be different. But paulsbass only has his self-described expertise. That simply is insufficient to translate his opinion into fact.
A person could do this about anything; not only about the Beatles singing. A person can swear they saw a person in a yellow raincoat flee the scene of an accident; but later it turns out it was brown, not yellow. Happens all the time, in a thousand different ways.
I remember sitting around with a bunch of guys -- some of us were trying to form a Latin rock band -- and the "leader" put on our inspiration (the third album of Santana). We were listening to the song "No One To Depend On", and at one point there's the sound of Carlos Santana doing a rapid-fire staccato of a high note on the electric guitar. Our "leader" stubbornly insisted that the sound was really a roll on the bongos amplified. He was so insistent, he got angry when the rest of us told him, no, it's a high electric guitar note. There's a point at which both sides must just say, "Well, I think I'm right and you're wrong, and you think you're right and I'm wrong, so we'll just have to AGREE TO DISAGREE; now let's talk about something else."
Here's a snippet of the Santana song: Is it an amplified bongo roll, or a high riff on an electric guitar note? (Or maybe Paul McCartney snuck into the Santana studios that day in 1971 and did a cameo appearance…
):
8.47pm
26 March 2012
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I'd certainly say it's a guitar note in that Santana song.
Based on the clips I posted above, any more opinions on whether it's George or Paul?
10.16pm
1 May 2011
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I cant remember who posted most of what has been posted above and not going to address everything.
My comment about a Paul v Ringo drumming thread was totally tongue in cheek. If folks want to debate it then thats cool and no its not about quantity or anything like that (that brings back memories as well). I totally love Beatle Pauls drumming, Dear Prudence being one of my favourite drum tracks on any Beatle record, as well as post-Beatle Drummer Paul.
As for Paulbass's departure, well its sad as i dont want anyone to feel they are being driven out but personally i think this has been coming for a long time. Im not the first to get into an arguement with him and if he stayed i wouldnt be the last. I'll very happily and readily admit the large majority of his posts were great to read and i mean the guy no harm.
Defend your thoughts and opinions, debate your stance, post away, but be open to what others say and please dont talk down to people.
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