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Ending of While My Guitar Gently Weeps- George or Paul?
1 January 2013
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Ron Nasty
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There's a great quote from Bob Geldof where he says something like, "Get off it. You're Paul Mc-f***ing-Cartney. Half of Lennon-McCartney. Live with it."

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1 January 2013
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Its just a sad state of affairs that if ever a topic comes up about who did what and Paul is involved it becomes a matter of 'its Paul and everyone else is dead wrong for daring to think never mind write anything else and must be spoken down to for thinking anything else'. I know its going to happen as soon as the first post is made and so a sense of dread and heaviness comes.

I know that folk are out there who think the same for John, George and Ringo and they irritate me as much as those who do it for Paul. Heck i cant bear Yoko and her marketing of John as a saint and flogging Imagine at every opportunity on every possible product/piece of tat.

And apologies to all for my posts above, i want this place to be peaceful and respectful as much as anyone, its one of the great things about the site.

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1 January 2013
11.35pm
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meanmistermustard said
Its just a sad state of affairs that if ever a topic comes up about who did what and Paul is involved it becomes a matter of 'its Paul and everyone else is dead wrong for daring to think never mind write anything else and must be spoken down to for thinking anything else'. I know its going to happen as soon as the first post is made and so a sense of dread and heaviness comes.

I know that folk are out there who think the same for John, George and Ringo and they irritate me as much as those who do it for Paul. Heck i cant bear Yoko and her marketing of John as a saint and flogging Imagine at every opportunity on every possible product/piece of tat.

And apologies to all for my posts above, i want this place to be peaceful and respectful as much as anyone, its one of the great things about the site.

Agree with all you say. Been reading lots of threads since discovering site and certain things do happen when Thumbs Aloft gets a mention. I don't think there's any need for apologies from you. This thread was only thrown off by one person's attitude. If you note my post above you're not the only one who disagrees with HofnerViolin's approach to matters Mac.

(I mean paulsbass obviously! Hope there isn't actually a HofnerViolin on here somewhere who I've just accidentally dissed.

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1 January 2013
11.42pm
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Thank you mja6758 for the kind words. I really dont have a problem with Paulbass the individual, just the reaction when its a ? or Paul thread and someone says its not Paul. 

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1 January 2013
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meanmistermustard said
Thank you mja6758 for the kind words. I really dont have a problem with Paulbass the individual, just the reaction when its a ? or Paul thread and someone says its not Paul. 

 I as well can see exactly where you are coming from. It's hard to discuss / debate with somebody who is aggressive in their approach towards the subject being discussed, and a 'I'm 110% Correct' attitude. Nobody was attacking McCartney in the slightest.. Geez guys... Peace and love, Peace and love..

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1 January 2013
11.51pm
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I wonder what paulsbass would be writing here if he was online.

"The world is a very serious and, at times, very sad place - but at other times it is all such a joke."-George Harrison
2 January 2013
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We all want peace and love, it would just help if certain people, who are capable of great contributions at times, didn't get so het up when people don't take their opinion as the final word.

And if paulsbass was online for this discussion, he'd probably be saying he didn't mean to offend, but that it's definitely Paul. No question. No argument. Now...

stay-on-topic 

I still think it's George!

 

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2 January 2013
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My main reasoning for it being Paul is that I feel like I've heard yells and interjections of his in other songs which sound just like the WMGGW ones. But I can't seem to work out which songs they are from.

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2 January 2013
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paulsbass said
I took it a step to far by saying he stole the show even from Clapton, and that's not true, since everybody knows this song because of Clapton's playing (AND the song itself, sure).

I think people only consider the musical side of the song most of the time, but I always make sure to listen to the lyrics as well.

 

Maybe I do a thread sometime which Macca's (and the others&#39a-hard-days-night-george-10 biggest showstealers...

Don't forget the intro to LitSwD!

On the other hand, while these parts were absolutely integral to the songs I wouldn't call them "stealing the show". They just needed an intro, and he provided it.

 

Definitely agree that these contributions are integral to the song (can't believe I forgot about the Lucy in the Sky intro!) Some "show-stealers" that I can think of off the top of my head for Paul: If I Fell vocals, Hey Bulldog bass (although you could argue for each of the band's contribution for this one, a favourite of mine), Day Tripper verses. Looking forward to the show-stealer thread in the future!

 

 

 

 

2 January 2013
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sinco said
Looking forward to the show-stealer thread in the future!

God, I'm not.

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2 January 2013
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Im waiting for the "Best Beatle Drummer - Ringo v Paul" thread where its claimed Pauls drumming on Back On The USSR, Dear Prudence, Ballad of Joko and a few others give him the edge but its damn close. Dont forget Paul suggested the drums on Ticket To Ride.a-hard-days-night-paul-3

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2 January 2013
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How about we just set up a paulsbass thread where he is allowed to be 110% right, and we can disagree venomously but let him win, but on everything else he has to stick to it being his opinion and not the word of God?

Hell, I can point to two quotes from McCartney where the facts show McCartney got it wrong.

But this is meant to be a thread about the "yeah's" at the end of WMGGW!

stay-on-topic

George! George! George! (95% sure). Might be Macca.

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2 January 2013
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Ben Ramon said

sinco said
Looking forward to the show-stealer thread in the future!

God, I'm not.

Haha! Well I always look forward to ANYTHING Beatles related :P

2 January 2013
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I don't think anyone was trying to drive you from site, and hope you'll reconsider. I've said elsewhere in this thread that some of your contributions are great, but that where you disagree with others opinions, you should stick to "I believe" rather than "I'm a 110%" right.

 

There's things I believe I'm dead right on, but stick to offering my contributions as opinion and not fact.

 

Your attitude would make more sense were we talking about a lead vocal, but background vocals aren't always as clear as all that. We should be able to debate here, and not get caught up in I'm right and you're wrong.

 

I apologise if you found me too aggressive in my reactions to what was happening between yourself and meanmistermustard. I just believe he had a valid point. If you hadn't made the "110%" comment things would have turned out differently.

 

A couple of points on your assumptions though. I am a great lover of McCartney. I do not believe the band would have existed and had the impact they did without him. I believe that, for a few glorious years, the sun shone out of all their asses. Possible I'm a nutjob, but I'm not a nutjob who claimed George was a better bass player than Paul (or could ever think that). Teenie? I wish. I had my twenty-first birthday when you were fourteen. If you were thrice my age, that would make 135!

 

This is, however, an olive branch. All people seemed to me to be asking was that as sure as you are of your opinion, you allow others theirs. Reading through the various threads over the past few months (I was exploring the site long before I joined) many of your contributions have been insightful and informative. It's just that sometimes... and last night people reacted to one of those sometimes.

 

I for one would be saddened to see you leave the forum, and hope you change your mind.

 

Best wishes. Peace and love.

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2 January 2013
12.27pm
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I do believe that the only way someone can be 110% Correct in this instance is, 1:Paulsbass was in the studio when this was recorded.  2: He heard it straight from the horses, (or the Beatles), mouth. Since neither have been put forward as reasons/validations behind this comment, I can only take that it is INDEED, an opinion. The "I know I'm right, stuff everybody else" attitude will definately not win friends, or influence people, lol. Just makes people form their own opinion... Of you sadly... Def no teenie bopper here either, lol (I wish!).

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2 January 2013
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I just find it unbelievable that it's too much to ask who sang about ten seconds' worth of a song - not even a highly crucial or remarkable ten seconds - without getting into an argument. There is no competitive element between George and Paul being implied.

I would also like to stress that paulsbass, in every situation I have seen in the past, ALWAYS gives credit to George or John or whoever when he feels that the credit is due. When it comes down to preference obviously he stands his ground with Paul on most things, but the bitchy comments above that criticise him for "always" siding with Paul make no mention of any of the times he has given credit to other Beatles for things that he believes they did.

 

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2 January 2013
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meanmistermustard said
Im waiting for the "Best Beatle Drummer - Ringo v Paul" thread where its claimed Pauls drumming on Back On The USSR, Dear Prudence, Ballad of Joko and a few others give him the edge but its damn close. Dont forget Paul suggested the drums on Ticket To Ride.a-hard-days-night-paul-3

You make this sound like a silly opinion, but is it so ridiculous to prefer Paul as a drummer? I prefer Ringo by miles but just because Paul played on less songs doesn't mean you can't prefer his drumming style. I'm sure there are some people who have listened to the songs you mentioned, and the drumming on his solo/Wings work, and thought "hey he's actually a really good drummer, I reckon he's superior to Ringo!" What's the point in having discussion if one opinion is categorically wrong? I have great respect for what you are saying, as I do with paulsbass, and I see where you are coming from- it is annoying. But with this it seems you're exhibiting the same thing you're setting out to criticise.

 

 

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2 January 2013
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I went over the top with the idea of the "paulsbass thread" but I said before it got to there, and in my last post, that he makes many great contributions and valid points. But he went over the top with the "110%" comment. I could do that all over the place, and I would expect to be pulled up on it. I regret it if he has really left the forum, but I stand by the majority of my comments last night. Opinion is opinion, simple as. Ten seconds shouldn't 'cause all this, but my comment on what was being discussed was that I think it's George. I could have gone the route of paulsbass but wouldn't because there is no definitive evidence one way or another. Much as I admire paulsbass' contributions, and look forward to reading, sometimes you have to accept, however strongly you feel, that it's merely opinion based on your listening and that others may have a different view. Ben Ramon asked a great question, and shouldn't be kicking himself for asking it, but the I'm right and you're wrong got in the way of him being able to judge the responses he was given based on what he thought of them. This thread has become about paulsbass, and much as I'll miss him if he really has gone, I say for not the first time here

stay-on-topic

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2 January 2013
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2:35 in this video, Paul sings a "yeah" which sounds to me rather similar to the "yeahs" at the end of WMG, though it is higher. There are definitely other songs where he sounds similar, I'm trying to think of them.

 

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2 January 2013
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Ah, a valid point, & glad to see you haven't deserted the question Ben. I've listened, heard what you heard, but think it's just phrasing, and all three main vocalists learnt how to phrase in similar fashions to allow their harmonies. Good to be back on topic, and I hope offering something useful. Just an opinion though.

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