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Ending of While My Guitar Gently Weeps- George or Paul?
1 January 2013
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DrBeatle said
I have always thought it was George and I stick by that.

You're totally free to do so.

It's still Paul.

 

1 January 2013
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And I Love Her - George stole it with the riff so lets not go down the route of Paul was the greatest ever and the others were behind his awesomeness and holy glow. Sorry but this Paul is great and did everything good in the Beatles gets right up my nose, heck it pisses me off.

John's kickass piano intro for Ob-La-Di took what was a neverending borefest trudge for the other 3 and made it what it was. But more than likely Paul whispered it to John in the toilets.

And just becuase you hear Paul Paulbass doesnt mean you are 100% correct and should be so condescending. Yours is opinion, same as anyone else who posts. But we shouldnt dare to suggest its anyone but Paul – how could it be anyone else?

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1 January 2013
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I believe that paulsbass is unintentionally being condescending. He/She just has a favorite Beatle, which is Paul. My favorite is George, and there are times when I unintentionally put him on a pedestal when I talk about him. All of the Beatles were equally great, and they would not be the same if one was missing. They all made important contributions to songs, so let's enjoy them instead of trying to convince people that Paul did this and George did that.  

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1 January 2013
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meanmistermustard said
And I Love Her - George stole it with the riff so lets not go down the route of Paul was the greatest ever and the others were behind his awesomeness and holy glow. Sorry but this Paul is great and did everything good in the Beatles gets right up my nose, heck it pisses me off.

Who said that? Did I? I don't think so. Read my posting.

John's kickass piano intro for Ob-La-Di took what was a neverending borefest trudge for the other 3 and made it what it was.

That IS a good example for a scene stealing moment!

But more than likely Paul whispered it to John in the toilets.

Who said that? Did I? I don't think so.

And just becuase you hear Paul Paulbass doesnt mean you are 100% correct and should be so condescending. Yours is opinion, same as anyone else who posts. But we shouldnt dare to suggest its anyone but Paul – how could it be anyone else?

I tried to explain my feelings. When I know I'm right it's hard to accept other opinions.

1 January 2013
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paulsbass said

meanmistermustard said
And I Love Her - George stole it with the riff so lets not go down the route of Paul was the greatest ever and the others were behind his awesomeness and holy glow. Sorry but this Paul is great and did everything good in the Beatles gets right up my nose, heck it pisses me off.

Who said that? Did I? I don't think so. Read my posting.

John's kickass piano intro for Ob-La-Di took what was a neverending borefest trudge for the other 3 and made it what it was.

That IS a good example for a scene stealing moment!

But more than likely Paul whispered it to John in the toilets.

Who said that? Did I? I don't think so.

And just becuase you hear Paul Paulbass doesnt mean you are 100% correct and should be so condescending. Yours is opinion, same as anyone else who posts. But we shouldnt dare to suggest its anyone but Paul – how could it be anyone else?

I tried to explain my feelings. When I know I'm right it's hard to accept other opinions.

It was sarcasm but your posts imply it especially in these topics when anyone says it wasnt Paul, take a look at the AGITL ahhh topic or the one where it ended up quoting radio playlists from the last 40 years, something about Michelle or the like. They all go the same way.

How do you know youre right? Did you read Paul or anyone else confirm it was him? No you listened to it and came to the conclusion it is Paul. Others listened to it and heard George. There is so far no definitive answer so have a bit of courtesy in how you reply to peoples opinions, dont say "No problem. While you're free to do so, it's still Paul." especially in these type of threads.

"Well, probably we'll sell less records, less people'll go to see the film, we'll write less songs, and we'll all die of failure" (John Lennon 8/64)
1 January 2013
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meanmistermustard said

It was sarcasm but your posts imply it especially in these topics when anyone says it wasnt Paul, take a look at the AGITL ahhh topic or the one where it ended up quoting radio playlists from the last 40 years, something about Michelle or the like. They all go the same way.

I was obviously aware of the sarcasm, but I think it was uncalled for.

And if you dare and re-read just page 1 of the monster thread, you'll see that I never, EVER intended it to go that way. A certain other poster came up with ridiculous claims, and I rebuffed them, simple as that.

How do you know youre right? Did you read Paul or anyone else confirm it was him? No you listened to it and came to the conclusion it is Paul. Others listened to it and heard George. There is so far no definitive answer so have a bit of courtesy in how you reply to peoples opinions, dont say "No problem. While you're free to do so, it's still Paul." especially in these type of threads.

I'm aware of the fact it sounds condescending, but I can't help it when I'm 110 % sure I'm right.

There are other songs where I'm uncertain and even have been wrong about in the past (I believed Come together has Paul in the harmonies, but when I read it was only John I could totally accept it).

I used to think they hired a guest singer for Lady Madonna, because that voice didn't sound like any of them. That was when I was about 14, in 1988.

I've heard WMGGW for the first time in 1992, and from this first time on I always thought it was Paul, and the more I knew about them the more sure I was.

I have an exceptionally well analytic hearing and I obsessively trained myself on their voices. The Sgt Peppers booklet was a great help, since for the first time then I could read who was the singer and match that information with the voices. And later I discovered all of Paul's different voices, and John's different styles of singing.

Some backing vocals are still tough to analyse, but I think I got most of them nailed down.

When I'm uncertain I will always admit it, and believe me, this is NOT, in ANY way about Paul being "the best".

I love all four of them. But I get pissed when some Lennonistas or George-followers DENY Paul his accomplishments.

And why should I freaking care if George would sing that part? Good for him, good for the song!

But he's not. It's Paul.

End of story.

 

1 January 2013
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No its not but you simply cannot accept that there is room for error so whats the point. Swear blind that its Paul and stick youre fingers in your ears to every other point of view.

And i give up here and put this thread alongwith the others of dare not to mention them. Thanks for that (by the way thats sarcasm and condescension – thought id join in).

And you cant be 110% right.

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1 January 2013
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paulsbass said

meanmistermustard said

It was sarcasm but your posts imply it especially in these topics when anyone says it wasnt Paul, take a look at the AGITL ahhh topic or the one where it ended up quoting radio playlists from the last 40 years, something about Michelle or the like. They all go the same way.

I was obviously aware of the sarcasm, but I think it was uncalled for.

And if you dare and re-read just page 1 of the monster thread, you'll see that I never, EVER intended it to go that way. A certain other poster came up with ridiculous claims, and I rebuffed them, simple as that.

How do you know youre right? Did you read Paul or anyone else confirm it was him? No you listened to it and came to the conclusion it is Paul. Others listened to it and heard George. There is so far no definitive answer so have a bit of courtesy in how you reply to peoples opinions, dont say "No problem. While you're free to do so, it's still Paul." especially in these type of threads.

I'm aware of the fact it sounds condescending, but I can't help it when I'm 110 % sure I'm right.

There are other songs where I'm uncertain and even have been wrong about in the past (I believed Come together has Paul in the harmonies, but when I read it was only John I could totally accept it).

I used to think they hired a guest singer for Lady Madonna, because that voice didn't sound like any of them. That was when I was about 14, in 1988.

I've heard WMGGW for the first time in 1992, and from this first time on I always thought it was Paul, and the more I knew about them the more sure I was.

I have an exceptionally well analytic hearing and I obsessively trained myself on their voices. The Sgt Peppers booklet was a great help, since for the first time then I could read who was the singer and match that information with the voices. And later I discovered all of Paul's different voices, and John's different styles of singing.

Some backing vocals are still tough to analyse, but I think I got most of them nailed down.

When I'm uncertain I will always admit it, and believe me, this is NOT, in ANY way about Paul being "the best".

I love all four of them. But I get pissed when some Lennonistas or George-followers DENY Paul his accomplishments.

And why should I freaking care if George would sing that part? Good for him, good for the song!

But he's not. It's Paul.

End of story.

 

When is a fact not a fact? When it's an opinion. 200% sure of that. I've always thought it was Georgie, but only 90-95% sure of that. When even Beatles get facts wrong about their career, who am I to say I'm right and you're wrong? Just an opinion.

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1 January 2013
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paulsbass's interesting remark about how he once thought "Lady Madonna" could not have been sung by any of the 4 Beatles reminds me of a quality of Paul's vocals that's unique -- I will start a topic on this in the Paul section.

 

Mundo paparazzi mi amore cicce verdi parasol.
1 January 2013
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paulsbass said:
I love all four of them. But I get pissed when some Lennonistas or George-followers DENY Paul his accomplishments.

It's understandable, but I think you're putting too much emphasis on the notion that they are denying Paul something. Nobody ever claimed that Paul was any less cooler for not doing the "yeahs" at the end of this song. People are just stating who they think it sounds like, and therefore who they think it is, and there's no need to really defend Paul so vehemently when nobody has attacked him. If another poster says "I think it's George," then you step in to correct them every time. But disagreements arise because you are going out of your way to correct them, rather than just leaving them to think whatever they want and let yourself do the same.

I respect your championing of Paul, and I'm glad there are people as passionate as you around to make sure that he gets his credit and due for the important role he played in the band (apologies for my being snappy earlier in the thread). But if you know it's Paul, there's not much point stepping in to remind everyone that they are wrong.

meanmistermustard said
And I Love Her - George stole it with the riff so lets not go down the route of Paul was the greatest ever and the others were behind his awesomeness and holy glow. Sorry but this Paul is great and did everything good in the Beatles gets right up my nose, heck it pisses me off.

I don't think this needs to be levelled specifically at Paul-lovers; people do the same about John, and the same about George, and maybe some people about Ringo (although I haven't encountered this phenomenon). To be honest I'm sorely regretting having started this thread, I showed a lack of judgement in making it when obviously these matters were going to arise. I think I'll just forget my debate with my friend (he's probably forgotten it anyway).

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1 January 2013
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There's a great quote from Bob Geldof where he says something like, "Get off it. You're Paul Mc-f***ing-Cartney. Half of Lennon-McCartney. Live with it."

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1 January 2013
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Its just a sad state of affairs that if ever a topic comes up about who did what and Paul is involved it becomes a matter of 'its Paul and everyone else is dead wrong for daring to think never mind write anything else and must be spoken down to for thinking anything else'. I know its going to happen as soon as the first post is made and so a sense of dread and heaviness comes.

I know that folk are out there who think the same for John, George and Ringo and they irritate me as much as those who do it for Paul. Heck i cant bear Yoko and her marketing of John as a saint and flogging Imagine at every opportunity on every possible product/piece of tat.

And apologies to all for my posts above, i want this place to be peaceful and respectful as much as anyone, its one of the great things about the site.

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1 January 2013
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meanmistermustard said
Its just a sad state of affairs that if ever a topic comes up about who did what and Paul is involved it becomes a matter of 'its Paul and everyone else is dead wrong for daring to think never mind write anything else and must be spoken down to for thinking anything else'. I know its going to happen as soon as the first post is made and so a sense of dread and heaviness comes.

I know that folk are out there who think the same for John, George and Ringo and they irritate me as much as those who do it for Paul. Heck i cant bear Yoko and her marketing of John as a saint and flogging Imagine at every opportunity on every possible product/piece of tat.

And apologies to all for my posts above, i want this place to be peaceful and respectful as much as anyone, its one of the great things about the site.

Agree with all you say. Been reading lots of threads since discovering site and certain things do happen when Thumbs Aloft gets a mention. I don't think there's any need for apologies from you. This thread was only thrown off by one person's attitude. If you note my post above you're not the only one who disagrees with HofnerViolin's approach to matters Mac.

(I mean paulsbass obviously! Hope there isn't actually a HofnerViolin on here somewhere who I've just accidentally dissed.

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1 January 2013
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Thank you mja6758 for the kind words. I really dont have a problem with Paulbass the individual, just the reaction when its a ? or Paul thread and someone says its not Paul. 

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1 January 2013
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meanmistermustard said
Thank you mja6758 for the kind words. I really dont have a problem with Paulbass the individual, just the reaction when its a ? or Paul thread and someone says its not Paul. 

 I as well can see exactly where you are coming from. It's hard to discuss / debate with somebody who is aggressive in their approach towards the subject being discussed, and a 'I'm 110% Correct' attitude. Nobody was attacking McCartney in the slightest.. Geez guys… Peace and love, Peace and love..

All the world is birthday cake, so take a piece, but not too much. - George Harrison
1 January 2013
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I wonder what paulsbass would be writing here if he was online.

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2 January 2013
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We all want peace and love, it would just help if certain people, who are capable of great contributions at times, didn't get so het up when people don't take their opinion as the final word.

And if paulsbass was online for this discussion, he'd probably be saying he didn't mean to offend, but that it's definitely Paul. No question. No argument. Now…

stay-on-topic 

I still think it's George!

 

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2 January 2013
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My main reasoning for it being Paul is that I feel like I've heard yells and interjections of his in other songs which sound just like the WMGGW ones. But I can't seem to work out which songs they are from.

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2 January 2013
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paulsbass said
I took it a step to far by saying he stole the show even from Clapton, and that's not true, since everybody knows this song because of Clapton's playing (AND the song itself, sure).

I think people only consider the musical side of the song most of the time, but I always make sure to listen to the lyrics as well.

 

Maybe I do a thread sometime which Macca's (and the others&#39a-hard-days-night-george-10 biggest showstealers…

Don't forget the intro to LitSwD!

On the other hand, while these parts were absolutely integral to the songs I wouldn't call them "stealing the show". They just needed an intro, and he provided it.

 

Definitely agree that these contributions are integral to the song (can't believe I forgot about the Lucy in the Sky intro!) Some "show-stealers" that I can think of off the top of my head for Paul: If I Fell vocals, Hey Bulldog bass (although you could argue for each of the band's contribution for this one, a favourite of mine), Day Tripper verses. Looking forward to the show-stealer thread in the future!

 

 

 

 

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sinco said
Looking forward to the show-stealer thread in the future!

God, I'm not.

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