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Ending of While My Guitar Gently Weeps- George or Paul?
30 December 2012
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Now I don't want to spark up another debate like the Unspeakable Thread, but I'm in a (pointless) debate with some friends.

WHO is singing those "yeah yeah yeah"s right at the end of WMGGW? George or Paul? I'm convinced it's Paul, and have heard it described as Paul before, but I can also see why people reckon it's George. Without it getting too heated, can anybody offer their opinion on this?

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30 December 2012
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I always thought it was George. The voice just sounds more like George's than Paul's.

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30 December 2012
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Ive always thought it was George as well, it sounds like him to me. It could have been both however as Paul sings harmony. It definately isnt John.

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30 December 2012
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I aint getting into a debate, i remember other threads, but here is the isolated vocals, drums and bass track.

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30 December 2012
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My verdict, after listening to the isolated track:  Let's put it this way: it certainly could be George; therefore, using Occam's razor, there's no reason to assume it's Paul.

On another note, it struck me how similar the rhythm guitar structure sounds like the Chicago hit "24 or 6 to 4" (though that was considerably up-tempo).

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30 December 2012
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After listening to the isolated and White Album tracks, I still think it's George. I don't want to get into an argument with paulsbass again (I believe I have before), but maybe this isn't so obvious to everyone. Maybe it's good to discuss things that may seem so obvious. I will agree with you that the end is special.

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31 December 2012
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paulsbass said

Funny Paper said
My verdict, after listening to the isolated track:  Let's put it this way: it certainly could be George; therefore, using Occam's razor, there's no reason to assume it's Paul.

Never heard of that "razor" but there's no reason to assume it's George.

That's a trademark sawdust Paul "Yeah" which George could never have done, and check out the very end after the "yeah yeah" ("whoaw, Wooo" or something like that), that's totally Paul.

I don't hear any "whoaw, woo" at the tail end -- just more "yeahs".  Yes it does sound like it could be Paul; but I think George could do it too.  As with that other thread, this could be settled with one phone call to Paul.  Does anyone have his cell #?

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31 December 2012
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paulsbass said

Funny Paper said

I don't hear any "whoaw, woo" at the tail end -- just more "yeahs". 

Ooookaay.

So if you don't even hear the actual vocals, how do you want to decide who sings them?!

Paul does 8 "Yeahs", than there's a short break and he does the "whoaw" in normal voice, than a high "Wooo" in falsetto.

Sorry, I was going by the stupid isolated track posted above.  So I re-listened to the normal song, and you're right about the "yeahs" and the "oo whoa" -- however, to my ear, they have that slightly weak whiny tonality characteristic of George more than Paul.

 

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31 December 2012
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paulsbass said
It's just one of two things that strikes me as odd about some users of this site:

I really thought other hard core Beatles fans - in contrast to the average person - would be able to to identify their voices.

So it's really hard for me to accept these discussions taking place at all...

99% of the time any one of us would, I'm sure, be able to differentiate the Beatles' voices. There are moments where it is not so obvious- which is proven by the fact that people disagree on it. Beatles fans everywhere have debated who sings She Loves You at the end of All You Need Is Love, because it IS difficult to tell who it is; why would it be discussed otherwise? I don't think I was being a particularly unqualified fan by questioning some fairly amorphous and ambiguous "yeah"s right in the fadeout of a song.

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31 December 2012
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Well at least with respect to "All You Need Is Love" it's easy:

Paul and John BOTH sing "She loves you yeah, yeah, yeah." See for yourselves:

http://www.tubechop.com/watch/802252

 

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31 December 2012
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This question is very similar to who coughed in the beginning of Taxman. In both cases, the Beatles probably don't remember and/or care. George is obviously the person who coughed, but some people may not know.  

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I listened to it quite a bit and I really do think it's George. He always had a cool accent when it comes to singing and I think it's really clear during these "yeah's", and it's not being sung high enough for me to be convinced it was definitely Paul. Anyway this is probably one of my favourite song fragments.

And paulsbass while I do agree that the song wouldn't be AS good without Paul's contributions, I disagree with the your statement that "Paul stole the show". That's like saying that Paul stole the show with the mellotron intro in Strawberry Fields and I think the song would've turned out an instant classic with whatever contributions anyone made, after all the Anthology version was already great. (This is coming from a Paul fan by the way, and as usual this is all my opinion)

 

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I have always thought it was George and I stick by that.

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And I Love Her - George stole it with the riff so lets not go down the route of Paul was the greatest ever and the others were behind his awesomeness and holy glow. Sorry but this Paul is great and did everything good in the Beatles gets right up my nose, heck it pisses me off.

John's kickass piano intro for Ob-La-Di took what was a neverending borefest trudge for the other 3 and made it what it was. But more than likely Paul whispered it to John in the toilets.

And just becuase you hear Paul Paulbass doesnt mean you are 100% correct and should be so condescending. Yours is opinion, same as anyone else who posts. But we shouldnt dare to suggest its anyone but Paul - how could it be anyone else?

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1 January 2013
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I believe that paulsbass is unintentionally being condescending. He/She just has a favorite Beatle, which is Paul. My favorite is George, and there are times when I unintentionally put him on a pedestal when I talk about him. All of the Beatles were equally great, and they would not be the same if one was missing. They all made important contributions to songs, so let's enjoy them instead of trying to convince people that Paul did this and George did that.  

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1 January 2013
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paulsbass said

meanmistermustard said
And I Love Her - George stole it with the riff so lets not go down the route of Paul was the greatest ever and the others were behind his awesomeness and holy glow. Sorry but this Paul is great and did everything good in the Beatles gets right up my nose, heck it pisses me off.

Who said that? Did I? I don't think so. Read my posting.

John's kickass piano intro for Ob-La-Di took what was a neverending borefest trudge for the other 3 and made it what it was.

That IS a good example for a scene stealing moment!

But more than likely Paul whispered it to John in the toilets.

Who said that? Did I? I don't think so.

And just becuase you hear Paul Paulbass doesnt mean you are 100% correct and should be so condescending. Yours is opinion, same as anyone else who posts. But we shouldnt dare to suggest its anyone but Paul - how could it be anyone else?

I tried to explain my feelings. When I know I'm right it's hard to accept other opinions.

It was sarcasm but your posts imply it especially in these topics when anyone says it wasnt Paul, take a look at the AGITL ahhh topic or the one where it ended up quoting radio playlists from the last 40 years, something about Michelle or the like. They all go the same way.

How do you know youre right? Did you read Paul or anyone else confirm it was him? No you listened to it and came to the conclusion it is Paul. Others listened to it and heard George. There is so far no definitive answer so have a bit of courtesy in how you reply to peoples opinions, dont say "No problem. While you're free to do so, it's still Paul." especially in these type of threads.

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No its not but you simply cannot accept that there is room for error so whats the point. Swear blind that its Paul and stick youre fingers in your ears to every other point of view.

And i give up here and put this thread alongwith the others of dare not to mention them. Thanks for that (by the way thats sarcasm and condescension - thought id join in).

And you cant be 110% right.

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1 January 2013
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paulsbass said

meanmistermustard said

It was sarcasm but your posts imply it especially in these topics when anyone says it wasnt Paul, take a look at the AGITL ahhh topic or the one where it ended up quoting radio playlists from the last 40 years, something about Michelle or the like. They all go the same way.

I was obviously aware of the sarcasm, but I think it was uncalled for.

And if you dare and re-read just page 1 of the monster thread, you'll see that I never, EVER intended it to go that way. A certain other poster came up with ridiculous claims, and I rebuffed them, simple as that.

How do you know youre right? Did you read Paul or anyone else confirm it was him? No you listened to it and came to the conclusion it is Paul. Others listened to it and heard George. There is so far no definitive answer so have a bit of courtesy in how you reply to peoples opinions, dont say "No problem. While you're free to do so, it's still Paul." especially in these type of threads.

I'm aware of the fact it sounds condescending, but I can't help it when I'm 110 % sure I'm right.

There are other songs where I'm uncertain and even have been wrong about in the past (I believed Come together has Paul in the harmonies, but when I read it was only John I could totally accept it).

I used to think they hired a guest singer for Lady Madonna, because that voice didn't sound like any of them. That was when I was about 14, in 1988.

I've heard WMGGW for the first time in 1992, and from this first time on I always thought it was Paul, and the more I knew about them the more sure I was.

I have an exceptionally well analytic hearing and I obsessively trained myself on their voices. The Sgt Peppers booklet was a great help, since for the first time then I could read who was the singer and match that information with the voices. And later I discovered all of Paul's different voices, and John's different styles of singing.

Some backing vocals are still tough to analyse, but I think I got most of them nailed down.

When I'm uncertain I will always admit it, and believe me, this is NOT, in ANY way about Paul being "the best".

I love all four of them. But I get pissed when some Lennonistas or George-followers DENY Paul his accomplishments.

And why should I freaking care if George would sing that part? Good for him, good for the song!

But he's not. It's Paul.

End of story.

 

When is a fact not a fact? When it's an opinion. 200% sure of that. I've always thought it was Georgie, but only 90-95% sure of that. When even Beatles get facts wrong about their career, who am I to say I'm right and you're wrong? Just an opinion.

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paulsbass's interesting remark about how he once thought "Lady Madonna" could not have been sung by any of the 4 Beatles reminds me of a quality of Paul's vocals that's unique -- I will start a topic on this in the Paul section.

 

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paulsbass said:
I love all four of them. But I get pissed when some Lennonistas or George-followers DENY Paul his accomplishments.

It's understandable, but I think you're putting too much emphasis on the notion that they are denying Paul something. Nobody ever claimed that Paul was any less cooler for not doing the "yeahs" at the end of this song. People are just stating who they think it sounds like, and therefore who they think it is, and there's no need to really defend Paul so vehemently when nobody has attacked him. If another poster says "I think it's George," then you step in to correct them every time. But disagreements arise because you are going out of your way to correct them, rather than just leaving them to think whatever they want and let yourself do the same.

I respect your championing of Paul, and I'm glad there are people as passionate as you around to make sure that he gets his credit and due for the important role he played in the band (apologies for my being snappy earlier in the thread). But if you know it's Paul, there's not much point stepping in to remind everyone that they are wrong.

meanmistermustard said
And I Love Her - George stole it with the riff so lets not go down the route of Paul was the greatest ever and the others were behind his awesomeness and holy glow. Sorry but this Paul is great and did everything good in the Beatles gets right up my nose, heck it pisses me off.

I don't think this needs to be levelled specifically at Paul-lovers; people do the same about John, and the same about George, and maybe some people about Ringo (although I haven't encountered this phenomenon). To be honest I'm sorely regretting having started this thread, I showed a lack of judgement in making it when obviously these matters were going to arise. I think I'll just forget my debate with my friend (he's probably forgotten it anyway).

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