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7.41pm
19 April 2010
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I realize that we all have our opinions, but for the life of me I can't understand why there could even be any comparison between Paul's absolute mastery over the bass and George's competent ability to play it. No slight against George, but to me there's really no question – Paul's bass playing is so stellar he is practically in a class all by himself.
8.13pm
12 March 2010
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Paulie. said:
I'm saying Paul. Come Together is a prime example of just brilliance
But George had his moments, and John. They all had different styles, so it's really impossible to say who's better.
Hi Paulie!
No, it's really not impossible or even hard to say that Paul without doubt was the best bass player in The Beatles.
As SexySadie very competently explained to George himself his moments of bass playing were nothing special, just pure need of someone doing it while Paul played piano or whatever. When he did a bass riff, he played it like a guitar riff on thicker strings, like on "old brown shoe". When he didn't do that he mostly stuck to doing the ground notes, as in "She said, she said". I tried before to explain the DIFFERENCE between a "terrific" bassline and the bassline on that song. Another good example for his unspectacular, simple bass playing is "Faster", suggested by the OP, while for different reasons, but still useful and very telling.
John was willing and able to fool around on practically anything, so he did some cool stuff on "Helter Skelter". But he also had his moment on "Long and winding road" where he's not that brilliant.
None of the two even remotely had Paul's feeling and understanding of the harmonic, melodic and rhythmic possibilities and functions of the instrument!
To understand that, listen to "Nowhere man", as I said before. I can tell you excactly how the bass line would sound if played by George: Just the ground notes, nothing more. If you were here I could play it to you. And then listen to Paul's stuff…
And then check out ANY bass line on the Sgt. Peppers album and tell me George or John were able to consistently pull off stuff like that on "Getting better", "Fixing a hole", "With a little help", "Good morning", "A day in the life", "Lucy in the sky", "Lovely Rita", "Mr. Kite"…
Sorry folks, I don't think it's all my fault that this discussion that shouldn't be happening at all turned into a 6 page monster thread…
But I'm glad more and more reasonable postings appear…
12.02am
9 June 2010
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Paulsbass, it's not your fault that we have some king mixers on this site.
11.54am
30 August 2010
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paulsbass said:
Paulie. said:
I'm saying Paul. Come Together is a prime example of just brilliance
But George had his moments, and John. They all had different styles, so it's really impossible to say who's better.
Hi Paulie!
No, it's really not impossible or even hard to say that Paul without doubt was the best bass player in The Beatles.
As SexySadie very competently explained to George himself his moments of bass playing were nothing special, just pure need of someone doing it while Paul played piano or whatever. When he did a bass riff, he played it like a guitar riff on thicker strings, like on "old brown shoe". When he didn't do that he mostly stuck to doing the ground notes, as in "She said, she said". I tried before to explain the DIFFERENCE between a "terrific" bassline and the bassline on that song. Another good example for his unspectacular, simple bass playing is "Faster", suggested by the OP, while for different reasons, but still useful and very telling.
John was willing and able to fool around on practically anything, so he did some cool stuff on "Helter Skelter". But he also had his moment on "Long and winding road" where he's not that brilliant.
None of the two even remotely had Paul's feeling and understanding of the harmonic, melodic and rhythmic possibilities and functions of the instrument!
To understand that, listen to "Nowhere man", as I said before. I can tell you excactly how the bass line would sound if played by George: Just the ground notes, nothing more. If you were here I could play it to you. And then listen to Paul's stuff…
And then check out ANY bass line on the Sgt. Peppers album and tell me George or John were able to consistently pull off stuff like that on "Getting better", "Fixing a hole", "With a little help", "Good morning", "A day in the life", "Lucy in the sky", "Lovely Rita", "Mr. Kite"…
Sorry folks, I don't think it's all my fault that this discussion that shouldn't be happening at all turned into a 6 page monster thread…
But I'm glad more and more reasonable postings appear…
Hear, hear!
Well put Paulsbass, if you know something about music and bass playing it is possible to say that Macca was the better playing.
It is not difficult to hear, his complex and beautiful bass lines are all over youtube and people struggle to do them and learn them. He is studied like a master. Macca is also listed on numerous sites as being one of the top players in the world, he basically invented a complex and melodic style that bass players have copied for decades now.
GH on the other hand, his best moments of music are with the guitar or the sitar in hand. He was just as important as Macca in building their music. Thousands of musicians copied his things, the use of the 12-string, his clever use of previously non-existing chords, his obvious growing from a competent skiffle musician to a multi-instrumentalist, capable of stunning riffs and beautiful arrangements.
You gotta love them both! :) Or, of course, all four of them!
//SS
12.30pm
4 April 2010
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paulsbass said:
Paulie. said:
I'm saying Paul. Come Together is a prime example of just brilliance
But George had his moments, and John. They all had different styles, so it's really impossible to say who's better.
Hi Paulie!
No, it's really not impossible or even hard to say that Paul without doubt was the best bass player in The Beatles.
As SexySadie very competently explained to George himself his moments of bass playing were nothing special, just pure need of someone doing it while Paul played piano or whatever. When he did a bass riff, he played it like a guitar riff on thicker strings, like on "old brown shoe". When he didn't do that he mostly stuck to doing the ground notes, as in "She said, she said". I tried before to explain the DIFFERENCE between a "terrific" bassline and the bassline on that song. Another good example for his unspectacular, simple bass playing is "Faster", suggested by the OP, while for different reasons, but still useful and very telling.
John was willing and able to fool around on practically anything, so he did some cool stuff on "Helter Skelter". But he also had his moment on "Long and winding road" where he's not that brilliant.
None of the two even remotely had Paul's feeling and understanding of the harmonic, melodic and rhythmic possibilities and functions of the instrument!
To understand that, listen to "Nowhere man", as I said before. I can tell you excactly how the bass line would sound if played by George: Just the ground notes, nothing more. If you were here I could play it to you. And then listen to Paul's stuff…
And then check out ANY bass line on the Sgt. Peppers album and tell me George or John were able to consistently pull off stuff like that on "Getting better", "Fixing a hole", "With a little help", "Good morning", "A day in the life", "Lucy in the sky", "Lovely Rita", "Mr. Kite"…
Sorry folks, I don't think it's all my fault that this discussion that shouldn't be happening at all turned into a 6 page monster thread…
But I'm glad more and more reasonable postings appear…
What you just basically said is that your opinion is right. Hell, I'm not even that self-righteous.
4.29pm
1 May 2010
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But his opinion is right, if George was truly the better bass player, he would have played bass! Paul was more than capable of playing lead guitar so if George really was better, why wouldn't they just permanently switch?
8.16pm
12 March 2010
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MrBig said:
What you just basically said is that your opinion is right. Hell, I'm not even that self-righteous.
I guess what you meant to say was "Not even I am that self-righteous"? That would make more sense.
Indeed, I said I was right, and I backed my opinion up with facts, in contrast to you. You supported your opinion, that George is the better bass player, with "Faster", a less than mediocre bass line! (and let's not forget about Ringo being a better singer than J, P and g, LOL!)
Some people just like to get attention with an opinion that's different from any other's and far from any sense, and they like to force it down other people's throats, calling it a fact, and at the same time complain about all other people calling THEIR opinion fact…
9.27pm
4 April 2010
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paulsbass said:
MrBig said:
What you just basically said is that your opinion is right. Hell, I'm not even that self-righteous.
I guess what you meant to say was "Not even I am that self-righteous"? That would make more sense.
Indeed, I said I was right, and I backed my opinion up with facts, in contrast to you. You supported your opinion, that George is the better bass player, with "Faster", a less than mediocre bass line! (and let's not forget about Ringo being a better singer than J, P and g, LOL!)
Some people just like to get attention with an opinion that's different from any other's and far from any sense, and they like to force it down other people's throats, calling it a fact, and at the same time complain about all other people calling THEIR opinion fact IN MY OPINION.
Fixed it for you.
9.48pm
31 March 2008
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Ah, come on now. I think it's a given that any statement someone makes on here will be their opinion. I don't think it's necessary to clarify that each time.
9.54pm
12 March 2010
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Joe said:
Ah, come on now. I think it's a given that any statement someone makes on here will be their opinion. I don't think it's necessary to clarify that each time.
Indeed. And I think it should be possible to point out that some personal opinions just don't make sense.
10.01pm
12 March 2010
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MrBig said:
Some people just like to get attention with an opinion that's different from any other's and far from any sense, and they like to force it down other people's throats, calling it a fact, and at the same time complain about all other people calling THEIR opinion fact IN MY OPINION.
Fixed it for you.
Nope, you didn't, you just turned a perfectly logical statement – that was obviously too complicated for you to understand – into nonsense. Again, I think I know what you INTENDED to write, but you screwed up, I'm afraid…Remember when I told you about that clumsy English of yours…
Btw: Don't forget to change that signature, will ya? I remember you calling yourself a "hard-core-Christian" (whatever that means, I don't even want to know, I think). How does a picture and message like that go along with Jesus' message of loving each other and being meek?
10.27pm
4 April 2010
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paulsbass said:
MrBig said:
Some people just like to get attention with an opinion that's different from any other's and far from any sense, and they like to force it down other people's throats, calling it a fact, and at the same time complain about all other people calling THEIR opinion fact IN MY OPINION.
Fixed it for you.
Nope, you didn't, you just turned a perfectly logical statement – that was obviously too complicated for you to understand – into nonsense. Again, I think I know what you INTENDED to write, but you screwed up, I'm afraid…Remember when I told you about that clumsy English of yours…
Btw: Don't forget to change that signature, will ya? I remember you calling yourself a "hard-core-Christian" (whatever that means, I don't even want to know, I think). How does a picture and message like that go along with Jesus' message of loving each other and being meek?
It appears you don't understand what Video Games are. And also, you're being this dick telling me what is right and wrong when they're both opinions. I've changed since then, finally convinced that Paul is the better bassist IN MY OPINION IN MY OPINION (You need to say that more) but not from you. You have basically said that your opinion is right. Listen, you're opinion wasn't right or wrong and my opinion wasn't right or wrong. Also, I don't think you're in any position to correct my English. It is my native language.
11.08pm
12 March 2010
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MrBig said:
It appears you don't understand what Video Games are.
Yes, I do. But since I have a family and full time job I'm not that up-to-date. I guess your picture has something to do with a VG? Still ugly and extremely un-Beatlelish.
And also, you're being this dick telling me what is right and wrong when
they're both opinions. I've changed since then, finally convinced that
Paul is the better bassist IN MY OPINION IN MY OPINION (You need to say
that more) but not from you. You have basically said that your opinion
is right. Listen, you're opinion wasn't right or wrong and my opinion
wasn't right or wrong.
Ooh, more four-letter-words, that's mature!
So, first you believed George was better, now you are "convinced" that Paul is better. So what you basically say here is that you realized your first opinion was wrong, agreed, Socrates? Good that we both agree now that my opinion was right from the beginning.
Also, I don't think you're in any position to correct my English. It is my native language.
Hah, you wouldn't believe how many mistakes many Germans make with their language! So English being your native tongue doesn't have to mean you are able to use it perfectly…
I think your postings speak for themselves…
11.13pm
4 April 2010
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paulsbass said:
MrBig said:
It appears you don't understand what Video Games are.
Yes, I do. But since I have a family and full time job I'm not that up-to-date. I guess your picture has something to do with a VG? Still ugly and extremely un-Beatlelish.
And also, you're being this dick telling me what is right and wrong when
they're both opinions. I've changed since then, finally convinced that
Paul is the better bassist IN MY OPINION IN MY OPINION (You need to say
that more) but not from you. You have basically said that your opinion
is right. Listen, you're opinion wasn't right or wrong and my opinion
wasn't right or wrong.
Ooh, more four-letter-words, that's mature!
So, first you believed George was better, now you are "convinced" that Paul is better. So what you basically say here is that you realized your first opinion was wrong, agreed, Socrates? Good that we both agree now that my opinion was right from the beginning.
Also, I don't think you're in any position to correct my English. It is my native language.
Hah, you wouldn't believe how many mistakes many Germans make with their language! So English being your native tongue doesn't have to mean you are able to use it perfectly…
I think your postings speak for themselves…
No. Opinions are never wrong. If I thought once that one bassist was better than the other, then I think that. There is no right or wrong. Now, I think that one bassist is better than the other. That makes me wrong? You're logic confuses me. Oh, and my avatar has to be beatle-ish?
11.17pm
1 May 2010
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MY opinion, is that this thread is even worse than the other one. Don't tell me I'm wrong! It's my opinion gosh darnit and I'm sticking to it!
11.19pm
4 April 2010
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GniknuS said:
MY opinion, is that this thread is even worse than the other one. Don't tell me I'm wrong! It's my opinion gosh darnit and I'm sticking to it!
YES THAT'S THE ATTITUDE I'M LOOKING FOR!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
11.21pm
1 December 2009
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Oh so that's a videogame avatar? That's interesting. I always assumed it had something to do with "Bull of Heaven". Now I know better.
OK, pardon my interruption. Carry on!
11.26pm
4 April 2010
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vonbontee said:
Oh so that's a videogame avatar? That's interesting. I always assumed it had something to do with "Bull of Heaven". Now I know better.
OK, pardon my interruption. Carry on!
I think this discussion is perfectly clear. The thing is, I've regained some of the respect I lost for paulsbass. He seems not to care, however. Still hating me because of my preferences.
11.32pm
12 March 2010
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MrBig said:
No. Opinions are never wrong. If I thought once that one bassist was better than the other, then I think that. There is no right or wrong. Now, I think that one bassist is better than the other. That makes me wrong? You're logic confuses me.
Yeah, I noticed that…
So, why did you change your opinion then, if it wasn't wrong??
Oh, and my avatar has to be beatle-ish?
No. But it helps, on a Beatles site…
11.34pm
12 March 2010
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MrBig said:
GniknuS said:
MY opinion, is that this thread is even worse than the other one. Don't tell me I'm wrong! It's my opinion gosh darnit and I'm sticking to it!
YES THAT'S THE ATTITUDE I'M LOOKING FOR!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
You're looking for other people making fun of you? That explains a LOT…
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