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Bass: Paul v. George
12 July 2010
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paulsbass said:

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You must really hate me, don't you?

 

And I don't mean his full time with the Beatles either. There were a lot of jams with him (George) and Eric Clapton in which George played bass and it was just simply stunning. I still think he's a better bassist. In my mind, the band would have been better (not more successful, but better) if George was the bassist, Paul was the drummer, Ringo was on Lead Vocals, and John did all the guitar. More charisma that way if I do say so myself. 

 

Oh, and paulsbass, Paul is not a better bassist. Paul is a better bassist IN YOUR OPINION. You either forget to add that or do it just to piss me off.


 

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Well, I thought you started this thread just to piss Paul fans off, so maybe you should think about that saying about calling into the wood...

IF you talk about the jams on "All things must pass" - I was bored out of my mind about them... Please link me 10 GH bass songs as stunning as "Being for the benefit of Mr. Kite", "Come together", "I want you", "Something" etc. etc. etc. On the other hand, you called the bass on "She said, she said" "terrific", so honestly I don't expect much from that task...

So, let's keep that fixed:

You say that George Harrison is a better bass player than Paul McCartney.a-hard-days-night-paul-2

You say that Paul McCartney is a better drummer than Ringo Starr.a-hard-days-night-ringo-14

You say that Ringo Starr is a better singer than John Lennon, Paul McCartney and George Harrison.a-hard-days-night-ringo-6

You say that John Lennon is a better guitarist than George Harrison and Paul McCartney.a-hard-days-night-john-7

 

And you honestly expect anyone to take you seriously after this statement? 

 

And, btw, judging someone's technical and musical abilities is not only a matter of opinion. And while about 7 billion people including the late George Harrison are with me on this I can live with your juvenile attitude very well.


Excuse me? "juvenile attitude"? You really think that I have a bad attitude because I think George Harrison was a better bassist than Paul McCartney? Really? Wow, and I thought I took things out of proportion. Oh, and none of them were technically great musicians:

Ringo's a damn good drummer. He was always a good drummer. He's not technically good, but I think Ringo's drumming is underrated the same way as Paul's bass playing is underrated...

I think Paul and Ringo stand up anywhere with anyof the rock musicians. Not technically great. None of us were technical musicians. None of us could read music. None of us can write it. But as pure musicians, as inspired humans to make noise, they're as good as anybody! - John Lennon

Listen, Paul is an underrated bassist and I can respect that as long as you can respect my thoughts. If you can't respect that then I think we will have a problem. Listen to "Faster" by GH. Amazing bass track.

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12 July 2010
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paulsbass said:

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Except that Entwistle is and was 1000x the bassist Paul was and Paul learned a lot from Entwistle.

 


 

Please link a song proving that Paul learned and adapted something from him.

 


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12 July 2010
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Oh my goodness, I love the bass on that song! a-hard-days-night-paul-2

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12 July 2010
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I would say it draws inspiration from both Entwistle and Jamerson (of the Funk Brothers)

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12 July 2010
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paulsbass said:

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Excuse me? "juvenile attitude"? You really think that I have a bad attitude because I think George Harrison was a better bassist than Paul McCartney? Really? Wow, and I thought I took things out of proportion. Oh, and none of them were technically great musicians:

 

Ringo's a damn good drummer. He was always a good drummer. He's not technically good, but I think Ringo's drumming is underrated the same way as Paul's bass playing is underrated...

I think Paul and Ringo stand up anywhere with anyof the rock musicians. Not technically great. None of us were technical musicians. None of us could read music. None of us can write it. But as pure musicians, as inspired humans to make noise, they're as good as anybody! - John Lennon

Listen, Paul is an underrated bassist and I can respect that as long as you can respect my thoughts. If you can't respect that then I think we will have a problem. Listen to "Faster" by GH. Amazing bass track.


 

I can only repeat my words about quoting whole postings...

"Faster". Please elaborate what excactly you find amazing about the bass. For about 9/10 of the time he just plays the ground notes. Fine example for a generic, boring bass line. Ridiculous, as all your statements yet.

John Lennon's thoughts are just his opinion, and he used to have quite a bitter opinion about many things regarding the Beatles. The Beatles were not as great musicians as the Who, but they still were excellent and extremely influential.

Paul's bass playing is not underrated, he is rightfully considered a master, and Lennon himself stated that most of modern bass playing was directly ripped off Paul's Beatles stuff.

Same with Ringo, who is often called one of the best and most legendary drummers of all time.

You bring yourself down more and more with each posting, just let go of this doomed thread...


Faster had an amazing bass line simply because it set the line for the rest of the song.

That wasn't John's opinion, it was a fact. Just because you know how to strum and play chords does not mean you're a guitarist and he stressed this very much.

Yes it is. If you haven't figured it out already, Paul is an amazing bassist. Maybe not as much as George or Entwistle but Paul was indeed amazing.

Ringo was great simply because you could find out every song just by the beat of his drums.

Oh, and that's just you. I bet there's someone out there who agrees with me. It'll be hard to find but someone will agree with me. Oh, and no, if anything you're bringing yourself down because you're literally showing everyone how much of a Paul-fanboy-biased arrogant asshole you are and you aren't even willing to look at the other side of things.

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12 July 2010
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paulsbass said:

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a-hard-days-night-ringo-8 So glad that you live up to your name, paulbass.

I don't know. If in a parallel universe George took up the bass, and Paul guitar, then notUs are probably having the same converstion. They're both very talented, creative people, so why should I be surprised at George not only playing bass, but playing it well?


 

Indeed!a-hard-days-night-paul-1

The question was not: Is GH capable of playing the bass well, the question was, is GH a better bass player than PM.

While many would state that Paul was a better guitarist than George (considering his work on Taxman, Drive My Car, Good morning, Ticket To Ride, Helter Skelter, Sgt. Peppers, and all this beautiful acoustic stuff)  George would be the last to claim the bass playing crown in the Beatles. That is just ridiculous.


I agree that Paul is amazing when he does his picking stints- they're beautiful. But, George with an electric is pretty fierce. 
But yes, Paul is indeed the better bass player, I think. Georgie was a guitarist, Paul happened to be both, though IMHO, was a better bassist. UNLESS we're talking about his acoustic work, which is fab. a-hard-days-night-paul-2 
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12 July 2010
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paulsbass said:

Btw, Mr. Big, congratulations for cracking the 500 postings and being "Top poster"!

I guess quantity is not everything…


 

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12 July 2010
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Biased against paul? Remember, it was me who said he was underrated.

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12 July 2010
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12 July 2010
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paulsbass said:

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Biased against paul? Remember, it was me who said he was underrated.


 

Yeah, and you were wrong about that.

It's just that this is the third thread I saw where you try to downsize Paul's contribution (guitar solo Back In The USSR, A Day In The Life, bass playing). Maybe there are even more...

So, yeah, I think you're biased against Paul.


Haha, no. If you disagree with me about him being underrated, you're disagreeing with John Lennon. I know you probably don't care about that since you're such a Paul McCartney fan, but let that ring in your head for a while. And it's a matter of opinion, so you have no right to call me wrong. 

About Back In The USSR, With all those guitar parts I think george could have a little bit of the limelight instead of Paul hogging it all. Not biased at all. If anything, I'm praising him more than you. I think he should get more praise on terms of bass playing and on terms of overall songwriting but you just state the facts (some of which aren't necessarily true might I mention) of him rather than expressing your opinion. There are times where you can argue with facts and not argue with facts (and sometimes even both) but I really think this isn't open for discussion. I would like to hear exactly why you favored Paul but you completely ruined it by trying to change my opinion and make me think that Paul is the god of everything. On top of that, you even think that you're calm about this whole situation when I said "I think Paul is the more light noted one, and George is better on rhythm" but you completely changed my mind and now I think I dislike Paul even more because you tryed so hard to force your opinion down my throat.

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13 July 2010
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GniknuS said:


That just made me burst out laughing, and I have to agree. Can't we just agree that they're both good players?
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13 July 2010
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Paulrus said:

GniknuS said:
 


That just made me burst out laughing, and I have to agree. Can't we just agree that they're both good players?
 

 

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13 July 2010
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A Fiendish Thingy said:

Paulrus said:

GniknuS said:

 


That just made me burst out laughing, and I have to agree. Can't we just agree that they're both good players?

 


 

Yes please a-hard-days-night-john-5


I sure as hell hope so.
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13 July 2010
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paulsbass said:

mithveaen said:


 

a-hard-days-night-ringo-7 What do you mean?


 

I mean you should get that title back from him!!

No, I didn't mean that, but I guess it's really obvious. I mean, c'mon…


 

No, it's not obvious. But since fights between McCartneistas and the rest of the world bore the hell out of me.. I don't really care. Have fun!!! apple01

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13 July 2010
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Okay then, apparently we CAN'T

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13 July 2010
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paulsbass said:

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Haha, no. If you disagree with me about him being underrated, you're
 

disagreeing with John Lennon. I know you probably don't care about that

since you're such a Paul McCartney fan, but let that ring in your head

for a while. And it's a matter of opinion, so you have no right to call

me wrong.

 

About Back In The USSR, With all those guitar parts I think george could have a little bit of the limelight instead of Paul hogging it all. Not biased at all. If anything, I'm praising him more than you. I think he should get more praise on terms of bass playing and on terms of overall songwriting but you just state the facts (some of which aren't necessarily true might I mention) of him rather than expressing your opinion. There are times where you can argue with facts and not argue with facts (and sometimes even both) but I really think this isn't open for discussion. I would like to hear exactly why you favored Paul but you completely ruined it by trying to change my opinion and make me think that Paul is the god of everything. On top of that, you even think that you're calm about this whole situation when I said "I think Paul is the more light noted one, and George is better on rhythm" but you completely changed my mind and now I think I dislike Paul even more because you tryed so hard to force your opinion down my throat.

 

 

I have no problem disagreeing with JL, since he was talking in the early 80s (and Paul had been voted "best bass player" several times then by important music magazins, so he hadn't been that underrated). And again, no, this is not a matter of opinion. IF many important musicians and critics and fans acknowledge Macca abilities, he's not underrated. Of course if you think, that PM should be called the best bass player of all time by anyone, I guess you could call him underrated. But that would be stupid. But that didn't seem to be your problem since you ranked George Harrison over him.

It's ok when you think George also should get some praise for BITUSSR, but you said he "probably" played the solo, which is very probably wrong. Even in this post you say Paul is "hogging" all the praise. Yeah, that's bias. But maybe just your English is clumsy and makes you sound like it.

Macca is officially the most successful songwriter of all time, so I guess he does get enough praise on terms of overall songwriting. Jeez… And you'Re right, this is indeed not open for discussion, but you tried it and started a thread calling George a better bass player than Paul.

And if you want to hear why I favour Paul please read the thread more carefully.

Remember what your opinion is:

George better bass player than Paul.

Ringo better singer than P, G, and J.

John better guitarist than P and G.

Paul better drummer than R.

The one about Ringo being the best singer is the most absurd, but the other ones are bizarre as well.

There'S nothing wrong with saying: "Wow, it would've been interesting if they played that way", but saying they would be a "better band" that way is just insane.

It was YOU who wanted to force your great opinion about GH down everybody else's throat, and you had nothing to support your claims.


Well sorry I disturbed you by trying to say my opinion about George Harrison. Oh, and by the way: http://amsconfidential.files.w.....-cares.jpg
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http://clipsandcomment.com/wp-.....tfudl7.jpg

 

And, I really didn't think of it as a fact. I still believe those things but since this little incident happened I don't think I want to talk to you ever again.

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Would it be possible to have a debate without it descending to name-calling and personal attacks? The Paul v Anyone discussions bore the life out of me, but go ahead if you want - but please keep it civil and constructive. Ta.

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Joe said:

Would it be possible to have a debate without it descending to name-calling and personal attacks? The Paul v Anyone discussions bore the life out of me, but go ahead if you want - but please keep it civil and constructive. Ta.


Could you please lock it? I don't want to talk to this as- er, person again.
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Bang bang, Maxwell's ban hammer came down upon this thread... (di doo doo doo doo)

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