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Why is everyone suddenly bad mouthing Paul?
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16 August 2013
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acmac said

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^yep, I remember that, and the scathing (and honestly, petty and needlessly personal) attack on him was written by none other than...Philip Norman, who is well-known for his Paul hatred, and is now working on a Paul bio for 2015. That's one of the reasons I think it should be an "interesting" read... :lol:

"Interesting" is right, lol! Philip Norman undermined his own credibility long ago, first with Shout!, then with his various random screeds against Paul (including a limerick that "jokingly" wishes Paul an early death) and that absolutely disgusting "obituary" he wrote for George. And then he had the gall in his Lennon bio to play innocent and be all "Gosh, I just can't IMAGINE why anyone would think I don't like Paul!" Sheesh.

Frankly, short of a foreword acknowledging he once had an irrational vendetta against any non-John Beatle and explaining how and when he got over it (like, hopefully with the help of therapy), I just won't be able to take the Paul bio seriously.

This is soooo true. I HATED Shout. I've read it twice, once about 10 years ago and once just recently. I'd forgotten how boring and dry it is and his dislike of Paul screams out every time he mentions him. Even when he is writing about a good deed or something nice Paul has done he has to counter it with something negative. How it is described as the definitive story of the Beatles baffles me because almost every Beatles fan dislikes it (may be generalising here, sorry if you anyone on here likes it, it does have it's good points I suppose!) acmac, I've never read the obituary to George, what does he say about him? He wasn't very complimentary in Shout. Sorry for straying off topic!

 

 

 

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Hannah said

acmac, I've never read the obituary to George, what does he say about him? He wasn't very complimentary in Shout. Sorry for straying off topic! 

Here's a link to it:

http://www.beatlelinks.net/for.....11294.html

Proceed with caution, tho, it's quite hateful. Like Norman's letter to Paul that Inner Light posted earlier, it's not necessarily factually incorrect, but it's grossly unfair, snide, and compassionless. And of course what makes it worse in this case is that it's supposed to be an obituary, for Pete's sake. Just totally inappropriate. 

If you're interested, here's a link to a great discussion of Norman's work over at Hey Dullblog. You can see the cruel limerick I mentioned earlier there.

http://heydullblog.blogspot.co.....ecide.html 

 
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acmac said

Hannah said

acmac, I've never read the obituary to George, what does he say about him? He wasn't very complimentary in Shout. Sorry for straying off topic! 

Here's a link to it:

http://www.beatlelinks.net/for.....11294.html
Proceed with caution, tho, it's quite hateful. Like Norman's letter to Paul that Inner Light posted earlier, it's not necessarily factually incorrect, but it's grossly unfair, snide, and compassionless. And of course what makes it worse in this case is that it's supposed to be an obituary, for Pete's sake. Just totally inappropriate. 

If you're interested, here's a link to a great discussion of Norman's work over at Hey Dullblog. You can see the cruel limerick I mentioned earlier there.

http://heydullblog.blogspot.co.....ecide.html 

Just finished reading this article. It's like he is telling us the truth and we have all been deceived so he is setting the record straight. None of the Beatles were saints. I don't believe Harrison was ever trying to come across like one. His wife once said: 'George never said he was a saint but he did say he was a sinner'. Maybe someone needs to write a biography on Phillip Norman! HA! 

 

 

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acmac said

Hannah said

acmac, I've never read the obituary to George, what does he say about him? He wasn't very complimentary in Shout. Sorry for straying off topic! 

Here's a link to it:

http://www.beatlelinks.net/for.....11294.html
Proceed with caution, tho, it's quite hateful. Like Norman's letter to Paul that Inner Light posted earlier, it's not necessarily factually incorrect, but it's grossly unfair, snide, and compassionless. And of course what makes it worse in this case is that it's supposed to be an obituary, for Pete's sake. Just totally inappropriate. 

If you're interested, here's a link to a great discussion of Norman's work over at Hey Dullblog. You can see the cruel limerick I mentioned earlier there.

http://heydullblog.blogspot.co.....ecide.html 

 

Thanks acmac! Sorry I'm a bit late with my thanks, I've been away for a while.

I've read that before, I think it's in the revised edition of Shout (2002 edition maybe?) and he uses it for the final chapter on George. Incidentially he devotes loads of pages to John's final chapter, lots for Paul's (although most of it is insults) considerably less for George and about 2 pages for Ringo! I was completely disgusted with what he said about George. It's so negative and nasty! When George died so many people gave touching tributes and spoke at length about what a wonderful human being he was. Of course he wasn't a saint but none of us are (not even Mr Norman I shouldn't think!) Why focus on the negative? Why not concentrate on all the great things he did and the impact he had on the world instead of portraying him as a bitter angry man? I don't know if i'll be able to read his Paul biography when it comes out, it will probably just make me incredibly angry. I may just leave it alone!

 

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I know, George had a fantastic sense of humour! As someone said earlier all you have to do is look at footage and interviews of George and you can see he's smiling and making jokes in nearly every one. His humour was dry, he wasn't loud and in your face and he was very witty and intelligent.

That's such a good point you made about what if John was just remembered for songs like "Woman is the N****r of the World". The sentiment behind the song was admirable but its hardly a great song. They both composed hundreds of songs, there are bound to be some turkeys in there somewhere! I agree about Calico Skies, that's such a beautiful, beautiful song. When I listen to it I think of Paul and Linda and that incredible love they had and I sometimes get a little teary eyed! Another thing Paul's not given enough credit for. Paul and Linda would have still been together today had she lived, no question. That was the most beautiful, loving relationship ever seen in the public eye. He wasn't caught cheating on her (and I'm sure girls still threw themselves at him) and they brought up a family together in a normal stable way. They even sent their kids to the local state schools and didn't have a nanny! That's virtually unheard of in the celebrity world. All the evidence points to Paul being a wonderful human being who, while being flawed (as we all are) the good far outweighs the bad.

 

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Sorry Funny Paper i'm going to have to disagree there! I take your point that Philip Norman has a wry way about his writing which makes it seem like he is slightly sneering at everything, but it's not just that. He clearly has issues with Paul and George, idolises John and thinks Ringo was just lucky. The fact is, the Beatles wanted Ringo not only because his personality fit completely with theirs, but because he was the best drummer in Liverpool! He was well respected as a drummerand had a massive impact upon the Beatles yet Norman seems to think he could have been replaced by anyone and it wouldn't have mattered! I understand that when you are writing a biography of the Beatles you have to show the bad as well as the good. I have read many biographies which show Paul and George's negative sides but balanced it with all the good. Norman just focuses on the negatives. The way he finishes the George section, describing how bitter he is and he should have been grateful was appalling. George was alot more than just a member of the Beatles. While he had his gripes and I dislike the way in which he continued to bear a grudge with Paul, pretty much until he died, I'm sure he didn't spend his whole life moaning about the Beatles and being bitter and twisted about it all! Listen to something like When We Was Fab, he clearly had somewhat fond memories of that time of his life.

 

Sorry for going on so long!

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