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Why is everyone suddenly bad mouthing Paul?
14 August 2013
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^ Yeah, that's right. I don't know the exact details but apparently Paul paid for his cancer treatment.

As horrible as it is to think about it, I'm sure that once Paul passes away, everyone will be full of good things to say about him - which may or may not be a good thing, you decide. I see it as being a bit fake, personally. Look at John, people hardly ever say anything bad about him. Why, when there's so much that could be said? It's because he's not here.

The fact that he puts himself out there as much as he does it also a good point. If he hid away at home, people would largely forget about him. I'm glad he's just doing what he wants to do, regardless of what people say.

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14 August 2013
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fabfouremily said
^ Yeah, that's right. I don't know the exact details but apparently Paul paid for his cancer treatment.

As horrible as it is to think about it, I'm sure that once Paul passes away, everyone will be full of good things to say about him - which may or may not be a good thing, you decide. I see it as being a bit fake, personally. Look at John, people hardly ever say anything bad about him. Why, when there's so much that could be said? It's because he's not here.

The fact that he puts himself out there as much as he does it also a good point. If he hid away at home, people would largely forget about him. I'm glad he's just doing what he wants to do, regardless of what people say.

You're right, that probably is what will happen and I think that is a pity. It doesn't benefit anyone to paint someone as a saint just because they are dead. I hope that we will be able to celebrate his life and music and what will be his incredible legacy while acknowledging that he was human and as flawed as the rest of us.

It's a shame that happens with John, I think it does him a disservice to not remember him as he was, the good and the bad. After all, the light and shade in John and Paul (and George) are one of the things that make their music something we are still listening to decades later!

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14 August 2013
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LadyBay said
^^That's a good point .  The more you put yourself out there, the more you open yourself up to attack.  Thank god people like him have the strength to keep doing what they truly feel is right for them and what they feel makes a positive contribution to life - we'd all be worse off if they just gave it up.

I don't think Lennon really had a chance to be as 'everywhere' as McCartney - that chance was taken away from him - I guess he would otherwise be coming in for a fair whack of criticism because he was extremely frank and open about his life, work, political views etc even though that frankness got him into a lot of trouble at times.

Back to Paul......I keep hearing snippets of stories about his kindness and generosity and about him stepping in to help the other three and their children.  I think it may have been elsewhere on this forum that I heard that Paul paid for George's medical treatment towards the end.  Was that the case?  Does anyone know the details?

 

I don't know if Paul paid for George's treatment, as I would imagine George wouldn't have had much difficulity being able to afford it, but they did reconcile a bit near the end of George's life. George and Paul always had a strained relationship, but at least it ended on good terms. As for Paul helping out the kids if they needed it, that doesn't surprrise me. Paul's always been very good with kids (and not just either his own or the other Beatle's kids). That's why I hated it when Julian Lennon criticized Paul for not being invited to Paul's wedding to Nancy. Only about 30 of their family and friends were there, so it was clear they wanted a very intimate ceremony, and yet Julian bashed him. I just kept thinking "Jude, you're 50 years old. Grow up a little."

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15 August 2013
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^ That is a shame that Julian spoke that way, I have only just watched an interview with him (an old one) in which Julian speaks with real warmth and affection of Paul.  

There seems to be no end to the ways in which the Beatles 'family' can wound, offend and misunderstand each other.

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15 August 2013
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LadyBay said
^^That's a good point .  The more you put yourself out there, the more you open yourself up to attack.  Thank god people like him have the strength to keep doing what they truly feel is right for them and what they feel makes a positive contribution to life - we'd all be worse off if they just gave it up.

I don't think Lennon really had a chance to be as 'everywhere' as McCartney - that chance was taken away from him - I guess he would otherwise be coming in for a fair whack of criticism because he was extremely frank and open about his life, work, political views etc even though that frankness got him into a lot of trouble at times.

Back to Paul......I keep hearing snippets of stories about his kindness and generosity and about him stepping in to help the other three and their children.  I think it may have been elsewhere on this forum that I heard that Paul paid for George's medical treatment towards the end.  Was that the case?  Does anyone know the details?

That was me on another thread (or maybe even this one, I don't remember), but yes, he paid for some of George's treatments during the last year or so of his life, and also offered the use of one of his houses in California for George to spend the remainder of his days, and it was in this house that George passed away. But the press will go on and on about how much of an asshole Paul is... :roll:

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15 August 2013
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DrBeatle said

LadyBay said
^^That's a good point .  The more you put yourself out there, the more you open yourself up to attack.  Thank god people like him have the strength to keep doing what they truly feel is right for them and what they feel makes a positive contribution to life - we'd all be worse off if they just gave it up.

I don't think Lennon really had a chance to be as 'everywhere' as McCartney - that chance was taken away from him - I guess he would otherwise be coming in for a fair whack of criticism because he was extremely frank and open about his life, work, political views etc even though that frankness got him into a lot of trouble at times.

Back to Paul......I keep hearing snippets of stories about his kindness and generosity and about him stepping in to help the other three and their children.  I think it may have been elsewhere on this forum that I heard that Paul paid for George's medical treatment towards the end.  Was that the case?  Does anyone know the details?

That was me on another thread (or maybe even this one, I don't remember), but yes, he paid for some of George's treatments during the last year or so of his life, and also offered the use of one of his houses in California for George to spend the remainder of his days, and it was in this house that George passed away. But the press will go on and on about how much of an asshole Paul is... :roll:

If he's worse than Ric Flair, then I'll be impressed. I was on a flight sitting a few rows behind Flair years ago on a Charlotte-to-LaGuardia flight, and if you wanted to see what a world-class asshole looks like, you should have been on that flight. Complaining about the temperature on the plane, snapping at flight attendants, coping an attitude when they asked him to shut off his cell phone... by the time the flight ended, EVERYONE was shooting him dirty looks, me included. As I was leaving the plane, I heard one of those poor attendants tell someone else "That's pretty normal for him. He acts like that all the time."

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15 August 2013
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Had to look up who Ric Flair was (pro wrestler, I see) but yeah, that's pretty assholish. I hope some other passenger tripped him when he tried to barge down the aisle at journey's end.

Say what you will about Paul: he's too natural a charismatic charmer to indulge in any of that sort of bad behaviour. That whole "acting like a spoiled child while on an airplane, abusing flight officials, getting called out for it and then going on Twitter to pissily whine to their followers about the INJUSTICE" thing such as Alec Baldwin specializes in, I mean. Seriously, eff these people.

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15 August 2013
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Von Bontee said
Had to look up who Ric Flair was (pro wrestler, I see) but yeah, that's pretty assholish. I hope some other passenger tripped him when he tried to barge down the aisle at journey's end.

Say what you will about Paul: he's too natural a charismatic charmer to indulge in any of that sort of bad behaviour. That whole "acting like a spoiled child while on an airplane, abusing flight officials, getting called out for it and then going on Twitter to pissily whine to their followers about the INJUSTICE" thing such as Alec Baldwin specializes in, I mean. Seriously, eff these people.

As much as I am loath to bring it up, at the time Paul's marriage to Heather was coming apart, there was allegedly an incident where he got really drunk while out in London and was verbally abusive to a photographer or something. It was buried quite well though, PR-conscious as he is.

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15 August 2013
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^yep, I remember that, and the scathing (and honestly, petty and needlessly personal) attack on him was written by none other than...Philip Norman, who is well-known for his Paul hatred, and is now working on a Paul bio for 2015. That's one of the reasons I think it should be an "interesting" read... :lol:

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15 August 2013
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I had heard about Paul's rant against the photographers when he was married to Heather (ugh)...I figure he was allowed...he was married to Heather. Julian has been dissed his whole life, so he probably figured Paul's not inviting him to the wedding was a personal diss...which it wasn't. Julian hasn't caught a break his whole life, so he is just used to reacting negatively. I have never heard that Paul paid for George's cancer treatment. Why? George could afford it, couldn't he? Does anyone have a source for that? I do know he loaned George the house. And he was with him a few days before he died. I love this forum...always learning something new!

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15 August 2013
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DrBeatle said
^yep, I remember that, and the scathing (and honestly, petty and needlessly personal) attack on him was written by none other than...Philip Norman, who is well-known for his Paul hatred, and is now working on a Paul bio for 2015. That's one of the reasons I think it should be an "interesting" read... :lol:

Here is an interesting article written by Norman in the Daily Mail:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvs.....Macca.html

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15 August 2013
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DrBeatle said
^yep, I remember that, and the scathing (and honestly, petty and needlessly personal) attack on him was written by none other than...Philip Norman, who is well-known for his Paul hatred, and is now working on a Paul bio for 2015. That's one of the reasons I think it should be an "interesting" read... :lol:

"Interesting" is right, lol! Philip Norman undermined his own credibility long ago, first with Shout!, then with his various random screeds against Paul (including a limerick that "jokingly" wishes Paul an early death) and that absolutely disgusting "obituary" he wrote for George. And then he had the gall in his Lennon bio to play innocent and be all "Gosh, I just can't IMAGINE why anyone would think I don't like Paul!" Sheesh.

Frankly, short of a foreword acknowledging he once had an irrational vendetta against any non-John Beatle and explaining how and when he got over it (like, hopefully with the help of therapy), I just won't be able to take the Paul bio seriously.

15 August 2013
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Yaaay, more books to avoid.

Tried to read that letter, but couldn't even read the whole thing. What a joke!

15 August 2013
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Ric Flair and Alec Baldwin may just be grouchy because they can't afford their own private jet, so they take it out on the "little people" they have to suffer to be with.

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15 August 2013
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Off topic, I have my own airplane celebrity sighting story.  Back in about 1985, I took a plane from Washington to Washington (from the state on the west coast, to the national capital D.C. near the east coast).  Suddenly, I noticed that in the waiting area Sonny Bono was standing there.  He was big in the 70s, but by the mid 80s had become a has-been.  He was hugging a very pretty brunette who was not Cher.  She was seeing him off.  On the plane during the flight, Sonny would pace up and down the aisles, perhaps hoping somebody would ask for his autograph.   It was kind of sad -- nobody said anything to him, they just stared at him out of the corner of their eyes.

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15 August 2013
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Funny Paper said
Off topic, I have my own airplane celebrity sighting story.  Back in about 1985, I took a plane from Washington to Washington (from the state on the west coast, to the national capital D.C. near the east coast).  Suddenly, I noticed that in the waiting area Sonny Bono was standing there.  He was big in the 70s, but by the mid 80s had become a has-been.  He was hugging a very pretty brunette who was not Cher.  She was seeing him off.  On the plane during the flight, Sonny would pace up and down the aisles, perhaps hoping somebody would ask for his autograph.   It was kind of sad -- nobody said anything to him, they just stared at him out of the corner of their eyes.

 

Maybe he was looking for someone to remember him as Joe Seluchi from Airplane 2. And yet, he became a congressman not long after your encounter with him, Funny.

Since I started this topic-within-a-topic, I guess I should add 2 others celeb sightings at an airport: in the Atlanta airport years back, at baggage claim, I heard someone shout out "Yo, Keith Sweat!" Sure enough, next to me, it was the '90s R&B singer. Didn't even recognize him, he was dressed all in black and wore shades. Then in Orlando, who else but... Ray Romano? Yep, he was at the same terminal I was. I didn't talk to him (they get bothered by everyday people enough as is, no need for me to add on), but he seemed like a cool guy and signed a couple of autographs for two teenage girls. His wife was pretty hot, I must say.

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16 August 2013
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wetsroosa said

Since I started this topic-within-a-topic, I guess I should add 2 others celeb sightings at an airport: in the Atlanta airport years back, at baggage claim, I heard someone shout out "Yo, Keith Sweat!" Sure enough, next to me, it was the '90s R&B singer. Didn't even recognize him, he was dressed all in black and wore shades.

This reminds me of another celeb airplane anecdote -- not by me but some female journalist recounted how back in the early 90s she was on a plane headed for the Caribbean that had McCartney on it.  He happened to be wearing all black that day, and when the plane arrived at the destination, some local greeter said to him, "Welcome, Johnny Cash!" -- the female journalist reported that Paul didn't skip a beat, and just began doing a Johnny Cash impression on the spot.

 

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Funny Paper said

wetsroosa said
Since I started this topic-within-a-topic, I guess I should add 2 others celeb sightings at an airport: in the Atlanta airport years back, at baggage claim, I heard someone shout out "Yo, Keith Sweat!" Sure enough, next to me, it was the '90s R&B singer. Didn't even recognize him, he was dressed all in black and wore shades.

This reminds me of another celeb airplane anecdote -- not by me but some female journalist recounted how back in the early 90s she was on a plane headed for the Caribbean that had McCartney on it.  He happened to be wearing all black that day, and when the plane arrived at the destination, some local greeter said to him, "Welcome, Johnny Cash!" -- the female journalist reported that Paul didn't skip a beat, and just began doing a Johnny Cash impression on the spot.

 

Wouldn't you kill to hear Paul sing a Johnny Cash song in Johnny's voice? a-hard-days-night-paul-7

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16 August 2013
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Pure jelousy....

Paul could cut a fart without wanting to and it would be in the TOP 10
By next morning. Paul & THE BEATLES were far and above any heavy
musician's then or now & thats what pisses people off.

Believe me when i say that we will all be fozzle fuel 1,000 times over
and THE BEATLES music and legacy will still live among the stars
and other worlds.

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16 August 2013
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Pure jelousy

Thoes who never like the beatles know that
They were diff from the begining to end.

They mowed down anthing that stood in thier way
Musically or other wise & still breaking new ground
in whatever they did.

Paul can cut a fart & be in perfect key with a touch
Of meloncholy liverpool mercy harmony ring to it
& it would be in the TOP 10 if not a #1 hit by days end,
And that's what's always pissed people off, from the
Start of the beatles to now.

Bottom line is, the beatles music & legacy will live on 1,000
Times way after were all fozzle fuel somewhere among the
Stars and other worlds thanks to time capsules here on earth
and other media on board sattlelites in space.

So you see, you just have to sit back and feel sorry for all
Thoes beatle haters.

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