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Why is everyone suddenly bad mouthing Paul?
11 August 2013
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wetsroosa, thanks for the tip -- I'm always on the lookout for good Pauline screaming (I admit to being slack on my Paul fandom with albums after Venus & Mars)

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I am currently listening to a Steve Martin album Rare Bird Alert  on which Paul sings a track called Best Love -definitely not a screamer but another example of his incredible and varied output.  Whatever your opinion is of his work (I love it) you have to agree Paul is the complete package - not only a superb vocalist but a musician to his fingertips. a-hard-days-night-paul-8

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LadyBay said
I am currently listening to a Steve Martin album Rare Bird Alert  on which Paul sings a track called Best Love -definitely not a screamer but another example of his incredible and varied output.  Whatever your opinion is of his work (I love it) you have to agree Paul is the complete package - not only a superb vocalist but a musician to his fingertips. a-hard-days-night-paul-8

Thanks LadyBay and wetsroosa. I haven't heard either of those but I will definitely check them out. Paul has basically done pretty much every style of music and can sing in any style. I wonder if Paul had been the one to die everyone would be treating him like a saint as they do John? On a side note has anyone heard that comment John made in his last interview where he says something like I don't want to be a dead hero? (I can't remember the exact quote, I will look it up) John was no saint but that was always one of the things I loved about him, he was so honest about his flaws. Sorry, I seem to have gone completely off topic! Paul is gear fab! 

11 August 2013
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Hannah said

LadyBay said
I am currently listening to a Steve Martin album Rare Bird Alert  on which Paul sings a track called Best Love -definitely not a screamer but another example of his incredible and varied output.  Whatever your opinion is of his work (I love it) you have to agree Paul is the complete package - not only a superb vocalist but a musician to his fingertips. a-hard-days-night-paul-8

Thanks LadyBay and wetsroosa. I haven't heard either of those but I will definitely check them out. Paul has basically done pretty much every style of music and can sing in any style. I wonder if Paul had been the one to die everyone would be treating him like a saint as they do John? On a side note has anyone heard that comment John made in his last interview where he says something like I don't want to be a dead hero? (I can't remember the exact quote, I will look it up) John was no saint but that was always one of the things I loved about him, he was so honest about his flaws. Sorry, I seem to have gone completely off topic! Paul is gear fab! 

Yes. This isn't a knock on John at all, but there's a reason that John (and Hendrix, and Morrison, and Tupac, and Cobain, etc.) is treated like a saint: because he died too young. Because his life was cut tragically short. Because unlike Paul, we never got to fully see a mature and settled-down John Lennon in full flower with his music. (Double Fantasy and Milk & Honey was just starting to scratch the surface of middle-age John.) Had John lived, and we'll never really know, but had he lived, I'm almost certain he would have continued making records (the last RKO Radio interview alludes to that), he would have toured again (same), he would have gone through the jokes and scrutiny that Paul does now. 

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It's fascinating to think of how John would be viewed if he was here today. We don't know what roads he would have gone down musically and if he would have still been a political influence. I can imagine him having lots of spats  over Twitter and probably getting himself into trouble with some of his comments. He likely would have mellowed a fair bit (I think he already was when he died) but John was always honest and wouldn't have been able to help himself from telling the world what he thought about things. Paul has always been a bit more tactful. I can't think of any time when he has slagged anyone off in the press, not even with ms mills! 

11 August 2013
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Hannah said
It's fascinating to think of how John would be viewed if he was here today. We don't know what roads he would have gone down musically and if he would have still been a political influence. I can imagine him having lots of spats  over Twitter and probably getting himself into trouble with some of his comments. He likely would have mellowed a fair bit (I think he already was when he died) but John was always honest and wouldn't have been able to help himself from telling the world what he thought about things. Paul has always been a bit more tactful. I can't think of any time when he has slagged anyone off in the press, not even with ms mills! 

In the John section, there have been a few discussions devoted to certain questions like yours:

Imagine if John had had Twitter

Imagine if John had lived

 

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My experience for the most part is the opposite of SatanHimself as most of the disparaging remarks about Paul have come from older people in their 40s-60s, like the guy who told me John was the sole brain of The Beatles, or general eye-rolling I got from some professors when I mentioned I was listening to one of his albums.

On the other hand, people at my hotel are still buzzing about Paul's performance at Outside Lands, using words like "legend" and "a god" and "epic." There's definitely a sense of awe with regards to Paul, but it seems like some people have to see him with their own eyes to understand how phenomenal he is.

The only skeptical young person I've come across was a Brit who told me that Paul's reputation is pretty much crap in the UK, especially in light of his less-than-stellar televised performances last year. He joked, "We liked him when he was with Linda, and she made great vegetarian sausages. But after that it all sort of went south. We still like The Beatles but we've moved on from Paul."

(Hit reply too soon, hate this phone at times.) So I think both age and geography have an impact on the way Paul's perceived.

On a side note, I did manage to convince the young Brit that Paul's in fine voice this year and he asked me to send him some YouTube links. :->

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11 August 2013
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There might also exist some sort of sentiment that Paul should have already retired.  The Beatles stopped and went out at a high note, and we were spared a good number of embarrassing moments and material that would water down the band's legacy.

Maybe some people want to remember Paul as a vibrant younger man (say, like his 1989-1991 comeback) and have tuned out his newer material.  Couple that with him now performing songs by John & George and a little bit of the revisionist statements he's made lately about his contributions to John's songs, I can see how some people might be inclined to say "Okay, that's enough".

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Funny Paper said

wetsroosa, thanks for the tip -- I'm always on the lookout for good Pauline screaming (I admit to being slack on my Paul fandom with albums after Venus & Mars)

Funny Paper, have you heard THIS?

Rocks so hard! A fantastic demonstration of what Paul can do with his amazing throat and little more than a single (well-amped) guitar chord! (Plus excellent support there from Denny Seiwell.)

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They only skeptical young person I've come across was a Brit who told me that Paul's reputation is pretty much crap in the UK especially in light of his less-than-stellar televised performances last year. He joked, "We liked him when he was with Linda, and she made great vegetarian sausages. But after that it all sort of went south. We still like The Beatles but we've moved on from Paul."

(Hit reply too soon, hate this phone at times.) So I think both age and geography have an impact on the way Paul's perceived.

On a side note, I did manage to convince the young Brit that Paul's in fine voice this year and he asked me to send him some YouTube links. :->

parlance

There's a lot of young folks, too young to really know or care about the whole old irrelevant Paul/John-was-the-REAL-genius issue, who are going to be more naturally disposed to Paul first, because he's living and breathing and touring, a more appealing figure than John's unpopular widow-spokeswoman. I would say that gives Paul a bit of a boost, the boost that a living self-popularizer can get.

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I think it's becoming quite popular to hate on Paul 'cause of recent not-so-good perfomances, but if people are expecting him to still sound as he good as he did in 1965, then they're expecting way too much. IMO, people's opinions (or, at least, those of people who aren't even just casual fans) are influenced a lot by what's said in the media, and the media (in the UK, at least) tends to give him a tough time. I think we should start respecting him a whole lot more, even if his music isn't what you like per se. He's at retirement age and he's still an absolute god!

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Couple that with him now performing songs by John & George and a little bit of the revisionist statements he's made lately about his contributions to John's songs, I can see how some people might be inclined to say "Okay, that's enough".

 

That was kind of what I wanted to say. I don't know what has come over him, but those aren't very smart moves.

Also, I agree with the singing. His voice isn't what it used to be. Of course not, he's 72! Give him a break. Occasionally he sounds alright, but from what I've seen and heard. most of the time it isn't that great anymore. Add to it that he's a living legend and people have high expectations and you get a lot of Paul-mocking people.

I must say he still sounds better than a lot of artists of his age (and younger artists like Rihanna) though.

I do think he's had his best time, but who am I to say he should retire if millions of people are still enjoying his concerts? Paul is a living legend, like I said, and I can imagine why people want to see him in concert and don't want him to retire. If I could I'd totally go to a concert too. If he retires, that's another legend gone. Another legend who people won't be able to to see live anymore. That idea kind of makes me sad.

11 August 2013
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I haven't seen evidence of revisionist statements but I guess that shows that the 70s John/Paul war still overashadows many/most perceptions.

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parlance said
I haven't seen evidence of revisionist statements but I guess that shows that the 70s John/Paul war still overashadows many/most perceptions.

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Yes that's true but they had made their peace when John died. I read that sometime in the 70's John was walking down the street wearing a badge that said I LOVE PAUL and someone asked him why he was wearing it and he said "because I love Paul"! So sweet. 

The media, especially in Britain has a lot to answer for. They like to build people up then knock them down, they've done it to so many people. Is the media like that in other countries?

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From my perspective its not all the media in the UK, Paul seems to get a lot of praise and respect from the music journalists who have some idea whats going on in the world, its more the ones out for an quick laugh at an easy target - "Paul was great in the Beatles but isn't he crap now hahahaha!!! Wings were crap too."

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Thanks VonBontee for that video.  All these years, I never knew that song.  I have had the Ram songbook for like 30 years, and one page has a photo with the words "Rode all night" handwritten on it -- I never knew what that referred to until now!

Interesting jam and vibe Paul is indulging there.  I can't say I really enjoy it, but it's cool to hear him getting into that groove.

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Funny Paper said
Thanks VonBontee for that video.  All these years, I never knew that song.  I have had the Ram songbook for like 30 years, and one page has a photo with the words "Rode all night" handwritten on it -- I never knew what that referred to until now!

Interesting jam and vibe Paul is indulging there.  I can't say I really enjoy it, but it's cool to hear him getting into that groove.

It's a bonus track from the Deluxe version of RAM and coincidentally I am listening to it right now. It's a long 9 minute jam with Paul having fun. And I think Paul is playing all the instruments here.

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Hannah said

parlance said
I haven't seen evidence of revisionist statements but I guess that shows that the 70s John/Paul war still overashadows many/most perceptions.

parlance

Yes that's true but they had made their peace when John died. I read that sometime in the 70's John was walking down the street wearing a badge that said I LOVE PAUL and someone asked him why he was wearing it and he said "because I love Paul"! So sweet. 

The media, especially in Britain has a lot to answer for. They like to build people up then knock them down, they've done it to so many people. Is the media like that in other countries?

Here in Austalia we are famous for our "tall poppy syndrome" - apparently we don't like people getting up themselves! Just ask Kylie Minogue, Rolf Harris, Barry Humphries, Paul Hogan, Nicole Kidman to name but a few people who have been sneered at despite of (or because of)  their success,  but back to topic.....

I think there is a hangover from Paul's Wings career. That was the music of my teen years and it was always seen as a bit daggy to like Wings - you had to hide your Venus and Mars when friends came over even though most of us had a copy! I don't think he's ever really shaken that "uncool' image off in the minds of a lot of my contemporaries. We still listen to Wings, but we still don't talk about it!

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LadyBay said

Hannah said

parlance said
I haven't seen evidence of revisionist statements but I guess that shows that the 70s John/Paul war still overashadows many/most perceptions.

parlance

Yes that's true but they had made their peace when John died. I read that sometime in the 70's John was walking down the street wearing a badge that said I LOVE PAUL and someone asked him why he was wearing it and he said "because I love Paul"! So sweet. 

The media, especially in Britain has a lot to answer for. They like to build people up then knock them down, they've done it to so many people. Is the media like that in other countries?

Here in Austalia we are famous for our "tall poppy syndrome" - apparently we don't like people getting up themselves! Just ask Kylie Minogue, Rolf Harris, Barry Humphries, Paul Hogan, Nicole Kidman to name but a few people who have been sneered at despite of (or because of)  their success,  but back to topic.....

I think there is a hangover from Paul's Wings career. That was the music of my teen years and it was always seen as a bit daggy to like Wings - you had to hide your Venus and Mars when friends came over even though most of us had a copy! I don't think he's ever really shaken that "uncool' image off in the minds of a lot of my contemporaries. We still listen to Wings, but we still don't talk about it!

Yes, Wings weren't really a very cool band but the music is incredible. The thing with Paul though is he does the music he wants to do, I don't think he tries to be cool. There are a lot of jokes made about Wings, I think people try to compare them with the Beatles which isn't fair because they are a totally different style of music.

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LadyBay said
Here in Austalia we are famous for our "tall poppy syndrome" - apparently we don't like people getting up themselves! Just ask Kylie Minogue, Rolf Harris, Barry Humphries, Paul Hogan, Nicole Kidman to name but a few people who have been sneered at despite of (or because of)  their success,  but back to topic.....

I think there is a hangover from Paul's Wings career. That was the music of my teen years and it was always seen as a bit daggy to like Wings - you had to hide your Venus and Mars when friends came over even though most of us had a copy! I don't think he's ever really shaken that "uncool' image off in the minds of a lot of my contemporaries. We still listen to Wings, but we still don't talk about it!

Wings totally fucking rule.  True story.  Seriously, you should never be ashamed of what music you like, ever.  I PROUDLY wear my Wings shirts all the time.  I blast it in my car, I play it at work.  My husband and I were the only ones singing and dancing to the Wings songs within our group at Paul's concert.  Maybe it's the "hipster" in me, but I really don't care what people think.   

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