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what if Paul had never met Linda?
4 November 2013
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I read another topic about what if John and Yoko never met and I been thinking about this since I read that topic. What do you think would be different if they never met?

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We probably wouldn't have Wings

Or 'Wonderful Xmas Time', 'Live and let die', 'Silly love songs', 'Band on the run', 'Maybe I'm amazed' or 'Mull of kintyre'

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Welcome to the site, Annadog40.

You're right, it is as interesting a question as the John and Yoko question, and maybe would have changed things more. After all, the big falling-out was not really over whether Klein should manage the group (though Paul was right on that one), but whether Klein or Paul's in-laws should manage the group. Had Paul been suggesting anyone other than them, he would certainly have got a different hearing from George and Ringo, and maybe even John. It changed all their relationships in 1969, and it's probable that the argument that really split the group would not have happened if Paul had not met Linda.

Should you wish to introduce yourself, there is a thread over in "All Together Now". Again, welcome to the forum, and love the cute avatar!

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Alcoholic driven to an early grave.

Seriously, there would never have been the fight between going with the Eastman's or Klein for who controlled Apple so maybe Paul would have intimately gone with Klein and further down the line they got truly screwed over and lost everything except what amounts to decent handouts every few months. Maybe the Beatles would have survived for a couple of more albums as well as the differences between John, Ringo, George on one side and Paul on the other wouldn't have been so bitter.

As for the Paul, probably flitted between casual flings for a few more years before finding someone to settle down with but i doubt it would have lasted and divorce would follow. Linda (and Heather) really forced him to knuckle down and stop the casual encounters.

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Alcoholic driven to an early grave.

Seriously, there would never have been the fight between going with the Eastman's or Klein for who controlled Apple so maybe Paul would have intimately gone with Klein and further down the line they got truly screwed over and lost everything except what amounts to decent handouts every few months. Maybe the Beatles would have survived for a couple of more albums as well as the differences between John, Ringo, George on one side and Paul on the other wouldn't have been so bitter.

As for the Paul, probably flitted between casual flings for a few more years before finding someone to settle down with but i doubt it would have lasted and divorce would follow. Linda (and Heather) really forced him to knuckle down and stop the casual encounters.

Well said. Paul has never been kidding when he's said over the years that Linda saved his life.

 

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4 November 2013
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DrBeatle said

meanmistermustard said
Alcoholic driven to an early grave.

Seriously, there would never have been the fight between going with the Eastman's or Klein for who controlled Apple so maybe Paul would have intimately gone with Klein and further down the line they got truly screwed over and lost everything except what amounts to decent handouts every few months. Maybe the Beatles would have survived for a couple of more albums as well as the differences between John, Ringo, George on one side and Paul on the other wouldn't have been so bitter.

As for the Paul, probably flitted between casual flings for a few more years before finding someone to settle down with but i doubt it would have lasted and divorce would follow. Linda (and Heather) really forced him to knuckle down and stop the casual encounters.

Well said. Paul has never been kidding when he's said over the years that Linda saved his life

Though it could be argued that the depression he sank into during 1969 was the result of his deteriorating relationships with John, George and Ringo, and that - as both mmm and myself have argued - may not have happened without the Klein/Eastman situation.

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Again, true. There was such a huge shitstorm in those days with so much swirling around them that no ONE reason contributed...everything was very intertwined.

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I think it would've happened anyway. Maybe they would've overcome the whole situation eventually and maybe they would've been less bitter, but we have to remind ourselves that the Eastman/Klein thing wasn't the starting point of their fights and relationship that became worse. There were more factors. I don't think Paul would've gone with Klein if he hadn't known the Eastmans. He didn't trust Klein. Had he not known Eastman, he still wouldn't have trusted Klein.

Of course we will never know this and this is all just pure speculation, but this is just what I think.

 

Back to the original subject:

We wouldn't have had Wings. Maybe we would've had another band, but it would've been very different. We would've missed a lot of the songs we love like Maybe I'm Amazed etc. Also the band (had there been one) wouldn't have been called Wings, obviously.

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Linde said
I don't think Paul would've gone with Klein if he hadn't known the Eastmans. He didn't trust Klein. Had he not known Eastman, he still wouldn't have trusted Klein.

Of course we will never know this and this is all just pure speculation, but this is just what I think.

We wouldn't have had Wings. Maybe we would've had another band, but it would've been very different... Also the band (had there been one) wouldn't have been called Wings, obviously.

As I suggested further up, had he not been able to suggest the Eastmans instead of Klein, it is likely he would looked around to find someone else. The argument was not over whether they needed management - they were all pretty agreed on that by that time, but whether Klein or the in-laws. Had Paul been suggesting someone different, everything could have been different.

Agree it can only be speculation though.

Why wouldn't we have had Wings though? I agree they would have been a different band, but Paul like being in a band, and - though a lesser solo Paul fan (in that I have read far less about solo Paul than say John and George) - why wouldn't they be called Wings? I don't get the obviously. Did Linda come up with the name?

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They were called Wings because when Linda was giving birth to Stella in 1971 there were some complications and Paul prayed one night and he had a vision of a winged angel, so after Stella was born and everything was OK, they named the band Wings. No Linda, no Stella, no Wings (the name, at least).

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Thanks for that, DrBeatle. Like I said, I've read less about solo Paul, and always happy and eager to learn things I don't know.

 

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Thanks for the info about Wings...I never knew that. I think it would have been a shame had he not met her, musically and because of their offspring. Wow...they begat some seriously talented children. I'm not sure he would have ended up in divorce had he not married Linda. I think he would be a fairly devoted husband to someone he really loved (though, I agree Linda helped reign him in and give his life purpose). Do you all think that he and Jane Asher would have gotten back together if there was no Linda? I agree, after his 2-year depression over the Beatles break-up...he'd have formed a band of some sort. He can't sit still...it just wouldn't have been Wings.

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I don't think he and Jane would have worked...she wanted a career, he wanted a woman who would be more domestic. Even though Linda had her own career and interests, she was also a devoted mother and homemaker. Hell, one of the things that made Paul fall in love is when she told him when they were dating, "you know, I could make a nice home for you." To my mind, she was the PERFECT woman for him in every way, and I think vice versa for her. That's borne out by how devoted they were for 30 years of marriage (unheard of for celebrities!) and how devastated he was when she passed.

 

Yoko and the Cult of St. Lennon members can keep trying to whitewash and rewrite that "great love affair," but they always seem to overlook the real one that came out of the Beatles.

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DrBeatle said
They were called Wings because when Linda was giving birth to Stella in 1971 there were some complications and Paul prayed one night and he had a vision of a winged angel, so after Stella was born and everything was OK, they named the band Wings. No Linda, no Stella, no Wings (the name, at least).

Thanks, I liked learning this little bit of trivia. As for Paul meeting (or not meeting) Linda, I think the only thing we'll ever know for certain, is that the song "The Lovely Linda" would not have been written for the album "McCartney."

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Yeah sorry I read over that bit ghehe.

Wings' name came from the way Stella's birth went or something like that. Can't really remember the exact story, but it did have something to do with Stella's birth.

Oh..found it:

The band name is said to have come to McCartney as he was praying in the hospital while Linda was giving birth to their second child together, Stella, on 13 September 1971. Paul McCartney recalled in the film Wingspan that the birth of Stella was "a bit of a drama"; there were complications at the birth and that both Linda and the baby almost died. He was praying fervently and the image of wings came to his mind. He decided to name his new band "Wings"

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Linde said
Yeah sorry I read over that bit ghehe.

Wings' name came from the way Stella's birth went or something like that. Can't really remember the exact story, but it did have something to do with Stella's birth.

Oh..found it:

The band name is said to have come to McCartney as he was praying in the hospital while Linda was giving birth to their second child together, Stella, on 13 September 1971. Paul McCartney recalled in the film Wingspan that the birth of Stella was "a bit of a drama"; there were complications at the birth and that both Linda and the baby almost died. He was praying fervently and the image of wings came to his mind. He decided to name his new band "Wings"

See my post 5 posts above yours :P

 

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I forgot to refresh the page so I didn't see it.

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Linde said
I forgot to refresh the page so I didn't see it.

It's ok, I was only joking :D

 

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If Paul had never met Linda, she would not have gotten co-writing credits on a bunch of best-selling songs. That list, along with some other interesting things about Linda, can be read here:    http://ultimateclassicrock.com/10-things-you-didnt-know-about-linda-mccartney/

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If Linda had never met Paul then Yoko and Paul might have gotten together - or John and Paul (see a handful of threads).

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