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Something strange about Paul's voice...
4 February 2013
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A while back my friend and I were rambling on about how great we think The Beatles are in every way, when I suggested something I think is interesting. 

It seems to me that I can't imagine the young Paul-- at all-- singing songs like Oh Darling!, I've Got a Feeling, Get Back... his real rocker songs, without his beard. 
Likewise, I can't picture the bearded scruffy Paul from the late 60's singing And I Love Her, Hold Me Tight, I Want To Hold Your Hand... even Honey Pie

In contrast, I can imagine John for instance singing any song at any period in time. 

Am I crazy? Has anyone else thought something similar?

4 February 2013
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It's like that with me, too, though it has nothing to do with his looks, just how his voice sounds. When they recorded Helter Skelter and Oh! Darling Paul didn't have a beard. Paul's voice seemed to have gotten deeper on The White Album, so I think that's why. I don't think he could have sang Helter Skelter or I've Got A Feeling the same if he had written them before he had.

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4 February 2013
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It's like that with me, too, though it has nothing to do with his looks, just how his voice sounds. When they recorded Helter Skelter and Oh! Darling Paul didn't have a beard. Paul's voice seemed to have gotten deeper on The White Album, so I think that's why. I don't think he could have sang Helter Skelter or I've Got A Feeling the same if he had written them before he had.

Wow, I never thought of it that way. That makes a lot more sense, ha ha. I guess I just associated his looks with the matter because to me they represent the different phases of his voice-- in spite of the fact that he recorded a few of those songs without a beard. How did you find that out, anyways? I never knew that.

4 February 2013
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DBTC said
A while back my friend and I were rambling on about how great we think The Beatles are in every way, when I suggested something I think is interesting. 

It seems to me that I can't imagine the young Paul-- at all-- singing songs like Oh Darling!, I've Got a Feeling, Get Back... his real rocker songs, without his beard. 
Likewise, I can't picture the bearded scruffy Paul from the late 60's singing And I Love Her, Hold Me Tight, I Want To Hold Your Hand... even Honey Pie

In contrast, I can imagine John for instance singing any song at any period in time. 

Am I crazy? Has anyone else thought something similar?

Lol they can't sing any early Beatle song during the Let it Be Sessions. Look at Besame Mucho, Love Me Do, You've Really got a hold on me and Help!.  Paul's voice changed greatly throughout his Beatle career in my opinion as well.

"And in the End the Love you take is equal to the Love you make"
"When I was a robber *Piano Chord* in Boston Place"
"Let's hope this turns out pretty darn good huh"
"Pete may be the best, but Ringo is the star"
Paul:"Don't be nervous John"
John:"I 'm not"
4 February 2013
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Paul did die in 1966 and was replaced by a doppelganger - obviously the work they did on him was fading by the time of the Get Back sessions and needed a tune up for Abbey Road. Thats why the sessions were so bad and they were working more as individuals. And John, George and Ringo didnt want to be doing Get Back as they couldnt listen to such a voice for hours on end. It all makes sense when you fit it all together - and overlook anything that doesnt.

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4 February 2013
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Well, you can see Paul singing in the style of Oh Darling etc. here:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v.....loGG9ez54c

What I can't imagine is George from '64 singing something like My Sweet Lord.

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4 February 2013
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I Me Mine, thanks for that video.

It certainly should lay to rest the notion that Paul's voice in early years was so different from the later Why Don't We Do It In The Road?/Oh Darling days that he couldn't have done it back then.  Paul's voice here is amazing.

However, there is a "but" here.  While it's likely that, if the Paul in this video were sat down and asked to do Why Don't We Do It In The Road? or Oh Darling, and while he could probably muster approximately the same verve and style, I have a hunch he wouldn't have been able to think of it -- yet.  I.e., this video shows his potential vocal-wise, but not necessarily style-wise.  And singing is as much about style as it is talent.

P.S.:  Who's playing the piano in the background?

P.P.S.:  Does anyone else notice how rather diffident the audience seems to be?  Almost bored!

 

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4 February 2013
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The audio on that video is the studio version, so the piano is Paul. I think some of the outtakes from that session show more where Paul would take his voice.

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5 February 2013
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I Me Mine, thanks for that video.

It certainly should lay to rest the notion that Paul's voice in early years was so different from the later Why Don't We Do It In The Road?/Oh Darling days that he couldn't have done it back then.  Paul's voice here is amazing.

However, there is a "but" here.  While it's likely that, if the Paul in this video were sat down and asked to do Why Don't We Do It In The Road? or Oh Darling, and while he could probably muster approximately the same verve and style, I have a hunch he wouldn't have been able to think of it -- yet.  I.e., this video shows his potential vocal-wise, but not necessarily style-wise.  And singing is as much about style as it is talent.

P.S.:  Who's playing the piano in the background?

P.P.S.:  Does anyone else notice how rather diffident the audience seems to be?  Almost bored!

 

The video is definitely a mime. In other words, they weren't actually playing; it was a video with a prerecorded track played over it. The piano was part of this track. However, this wasn't done for the purpose of fooling the audience (as we tend to do nowadays...), but instead to make filming the music video easier. 
That being said, the audience was probably drafted. 

As for your input, thanks. The fellow Beatles' fans that have posted her have answered a question I've been pondering for a nearly embarrassing amount of time! 

You're saying that you believe Paul hasn't necessarily developed his full vocal style yet, correct? As in his vocals haven't matured enough for him to say: "Hey, I think it'd be great to lay this vocal down just like this," and go on to sing Why Don't We Do It In The Road??
 

5 February 2013
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DBTC, ah, so they were "lip-synching".

As for Paul's voice, it's just a guess, but I'd say that the later singing may not have occurred to him at the time, just because no one around him was really doing stuff like that.  As time went along throughout the 60s, all the pop musicians evolved and there was a lot of cross-pollinating influences among bands and individual musicians.  This would also apply to electric guitar playing.  While a Jimmy Page, for example, may well have been capable of doing 10 years before what he did in his heyday, his mind just wasn't "ready" to do it -- and part of that mental evolution is dependent on surrounding influences from others, etc.

 

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6 February 2013
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Funny Paper said
DBTC, ah, so they were "lip-synching".

As for Paul's voice, it's just a guess, but I'd say that the later singing may not have occurred to him at the time, just because no one around him was really doing stuff like that.  As time went along throughout the 60s, all the pop musicians evolved and there was a lot of cross-pollinating influences among bands and individual musicians.  This would also apply to electric guitar playing.  While a Jimmy Page, for example, may well have been capable of doing 10 years before what he did in his heyday, his mind just wasn't "ready" to do it -- and part of that mental evolution is dependent on surrounding influences from others, etc.

 

Right, ha ha. Sorry for sounding like a know-it-all if that's how I came across.

Do you have any examples vocally of who might have influenced Paul? Maybe Roger Daltrey? I was thinking Robert Plant, but remembered Helter Skelter was before Led Zeppelin surfaced big time. I'm no expert on 60's music at all. 

6 February 2013
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Good question about Helter Skelter.  What were the conscious vocal influences on Paul when he began writing/practicing that song?

 

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7 February 2013
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A multitude of things I reckon. Probably some Daltrey (seeing as Helter Skelter was an attempt to outdo I Can See For Miles), and I doubt Paul's love of Little Richard would have allowed him to cut back on that screaming influence too. Also, a shot in the dark, but stuff like Captain Beefheart? I know he'd only had one album out by this point, but his voice holds a similarity to the gravelly, bluesy OTT style that Paul turned to for many of the White Album-era rockers.

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14 February 2013
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Anyone heard You'll Be Mine? It would sound like a late Beatle Record lol.

"And in the End the Love you take is equal to the Love you make"
"When I was a robber *Piano Chord* in Boston Place"
"Let's hope this turns out pretty darn good huh"
"Pete may be the best, but Ringo is the star"
Paul:"Don't be nervous John"
John:"I 'm not"
14 February 2013
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I thought it was John singing You'll Be Mine, with Paul singing in the back.

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14 February 2013
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I believe its Paul with John doing the "my darling..." spoken part.

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