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Sir Paul to end London 2012 opening ceremony
3 August 2012
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mr. Sun king coming together said
I feel bad for Paul – he has to take shit from people who say "if Paul doesn't do Imagine", take the shit from people who would get mad at him for playing Imagine, the shit from people who say "he's done, retire", the shit from people who say he should play something obscure… Enough. Let Paul make his decisions how he wants to. I don't care what Paul plays if he plays again. I don't care if he plays again, really. He gave a great performance, and it's still not enough, even for people here, apparently. Let Paul do what Paul wants to do. It should be what songs does Paul want to perform, not what he thinks will get less fan irritation. I can guarantee you this will be the Daily Mail headline if McCartney plays Imagine: "McCartney plays John's masterpiece – out of material of your own?" His own fans won't let him win. Stop.

Amen! I saw a story where he wrote a letter to get an elephant released from captivity…reaction? Why doesn't he just buy it himself? He visited Whitney Houston's memorial site…he's just looking for attention. And it goes on and on. Some people are never happy.

I want Paul to do what Paul wants…but it probably would be an extraordinarily bad idea for him to sing Imagine.

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3 August 2012
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Hey, if Paul's fans on a Beatles fansite don't have the right to speculate about what he should or shouldn't do, then who does? :)

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3 August 2012
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a-hard-days-night-ringo-8 But that's not what we're doing – we're saying he better play Imagine, or else I'll be very disappointed, or he ought to, if he's to play a Lennon song, play a Beatles song John wrote. Or, for a full quote (Emphasis mine): A John-written Beatles song maybe, but definitely not something iconic like "Imagine".

We shouldn't think that musicians must do anything. And that's what this amounts to.

I tried to think of something powerful and moving… and failed.  "You were given a choice between war and dishonor - you chose dishonor, and you shall have war" - Winston Churchill
3 August 2012
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Not sure what's your problem, and don't really care. I would like for him to sing it, and it is iconic song but that doesn't mean he can't sing it? Lady Gaga covered it for crying out loud. Justin Bieber covered Let It Be, now that is a ruining of iconic song. As for press, I think he doesn't even care that much as anything he do would get negative press in Daily Mail anyhow. We just speculate, discuss, that's why we are here.

 

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ahdn_paul_06 Mhh how about Paul singing How do you sleep? That would be funa-hard-days-night-john-6a-hard-days-night-john-6a-hard-days-night-john-6

 
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3 August 2012
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It's all immaterial anyway as he won't. It's not his type of song – and thats not saying that he cant or shouldnt. He might join in with other artists it however, one of a great swarm of folks onstage.
Paul gave up reading reviews, both positive and negative, years ag, the only people who get riled by them are his fans.

I did read a story that mentioned that Paul didn't get the choice of what to sing at the opening ceremony, not that I can ever see that being the case. Almost certainly garbage. Would anyone dare.

"Well, probably we'll sell less records, less people'll go to see the film, we'll write less songs, and we'll all die of failure" (John Lennon 8/64)
3 August 2012
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mr. Sun king coming together said

a-hard-days-night-ringo-8 But that's not what we're doing – we're saying he better play Imagine, or else I'll be very disappointed, or he ought to, if he's to play a Lennon song, play a Beatles song John wrote. Or, for a full quote (Emphasis mine): A John-written Beatles song maybe, but definitely not something iconic like "Imagine".

We shouldn't think that musicians must do anything. And that's what this amounts to.

We can think whatever we wish – it's not as though they have any moral obligation to obey us! And that includes offering our own opinions based on not wishing to see them in a bad light. I personally REALLY don't wish for Paul to sing "Imagine", for reasons of my own. Irrational reasons they may be. You're free to disagree.

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4 August 2012
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Exactly, and what's with this "shit" that Paul is taking from us? The only thing Paul is getting from members of this board is probably money for buying his music, tickets etc… I don't think he needs anyone to defend him, he is in showbiz for over 50 years, I think he knows how to handle it. Some would love for him to sing, some not. I said I would be disappointed because I would love for him to sing it as it was covered by many singers (good and bad) but not by his best friend. Mostly here disagree, and that's fine, we share our opinions, but no need for flaming.

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a-hard-days-night-ringo-8 If you think this is flaming, it most certainly isn't. That would require anger without reasonable cause. I believe I have reasonable cause. 

vonbontee said 

We can think whatever we wish – it's not as though they have any moral obligation to obey us!

My objection to your quote is not that you think playing Imagine would be a very bad decision – I agree. But to say it in a definitive way – which But definitely not is – takes it from a wish to needing appeasement. (I'm truly struggling to get this across in a proper way.)

We treat musicians as statutory services, as needs as opposed to wants. I'm guilty of this at times. But I think it should be "Oh. I think it'd be a horrible idea for Paul to play Imagine", or "I really hope Paul plays Imagine", because then it doesn't come across as a need, but a want. Which is what I think it should be. 

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I said I would be disappointed because I would love for him to sing it as it was covered by many singers (good and bad) but not by his best friend. 

Which is a valid reason to want him to play the song. But to state you will be disappointed if  he doesn't play it means you need to be appeased through a performance of that song. And that's shit. I'm guilty of it sometimes, but I believe it makes music better when you realise it's truly a gift, and not owed to you. 

I tried to think of something powerful and moving… and failed.  "You were given a choice between war and dishonor - you chose dishonor, and you shall have war" - Winston Churchill
4 August 2012
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There's no need to argue over this. Some people would like him to play it, others don't want him to. People have different opinions. At the end of the day, our opinions are irrelevant because we don't have a say in what he sings anyway.

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4 August 2012
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mr. Sun king coming together said

We treat musicians as statutory services, as needs as opposed to wants. I'm guilty of this at times. But I think it should be "Oh. I think it'd be a horrible idea for Paul to play Imagine", or "I really hope Paul plays Imagine", because then it doesn't come across as a need, but a want. Which is what I think it should be.

He doesn't have to say "I think", it really makes no difference. It's implied that it's his opinion because he is the one saying it.

 

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4 August 2012
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Not a believer in the whole "i think….", its a forum where it should be taken as opinion on the main. Just be prepared for disagreements and dont take it personally or to heart.

"Well, probably we'll sell less records, less people'll go to see the film, we'll write less songs, and we'll all die of failure" (John Lennon 8/64)
4 August 2012
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Fine. Still doesn't change the fact that we shouldn't be expecting anything from McCartney.

I tried to think of something powerful and moving… and failed.  "You were given a choice between war and dishonor - you chose dishonor, and you shall have war" - Winston Churchill
4 August 2012
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a-hard-days-night-ringo-8 Indeed so but we are fans and we do. I get disapointed that he wont change his concert setlist. Would love to see him doing different solo songs, especially some of the more obscure tracks – tho i do understand why he doesnt. I was not that thrilled coming away from one of Ringo's concerts, i expected more than i got – like not walking off during the last group track and that being it – curtains up, lights on, go home.

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4 August 2012
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I read an interview with Paul not so long ago where he was asked if he got sick of playing old songs all the time. He said something along the lines of (and I totally paraphrase), "If I go and see a band, I want them to play the hits. I don't like it when they perform solely for themselves – it feels arrogant. That's why I always play the Beatles songs." I think he mentioned Radiohead ("It's OK for them but it's not what I'm about") but I might have imagined it.

While I absolutely love him for not coming on stage and doing Kisses On The Bottom followed by an encore from Ocean's Kingdom, if he wants to give the fans what they want he'd vary his set way more than he does – every fan forum seems to want the same thing. He's got such an amazing back catalogue that he could keep the same structure (eg Beatles song, Beatles song, Wings song, solo song, Beatles song etc) but play a different set every night.

That said, I know stadium tours tend to be quite rigid because of stage times, lighting and sound requirements and so on, never mind the requirements of the musicians having to remember 100+ songs rather than 30-odd. What I'd rather is that every new tour was almost completely different from the last, so On The Run featured a set of songs he didn't do on the Up And Coming tour (with maybe a handful of the Must Perform songs done in both).

This is getting a bit off-topic though. What was the question?

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4 August 2012
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Admist all this discussion personally i feel the big song at the closing ceremony should be All You Need Is Love and not Imagine. The theme and the overall message is perfect for the games, everyone gets it, its such a simply song, people can join in, and the lyrics work: "nothing you can do that cant be done… Nowhere you can be that isn't where you're meant to be…"

Im also not sure that lyrics like "Imagine there's no heaven, it's easy if you try. No hell below us. above us only sky" and "no religion too" from Imagine would go down well with some Nations who have a very strong belief and identity in God. I get the peace message and its totally right but some Countries might be offended by those lines. 

Dont shoot me down just an opinion.

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5 August 2012
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I totally agree with you Joe. I'd love him to sing.. I dunno… Love in Song  instead of Sing the changes. (the only frigging song I don't like from the Fireman and that's the one he sings) paul-mccartneypaul-mccartneypaul-mccartney

 

And the question is which song he should do in the Closing ceremony. But he's not going to play, is he??

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ahdn_paul_06Probably not, I mean, he's playing in the Diamond jubilee, he's playing in the opening ceremony, if he plays in the opening ceremony as well, it's almost like there is no other musician in the UK than him 

If Imagine does get played in the closing ceremony, I highly doubt it will be Paul-only. More like, all the lights go off, it becomes dark and John's voice comes from the speakers- "Imagine there's no heaven, it's easy if you try…" And when it comes to the chorus, the whole stadium will sing "You may say I'm a dreamer…" a-hard-days-night-john-6Talk about corny, though. It probably doesn't get played, anyway, perhaps Elton does something

 

ps. anyone else noticed that in Horse Jumping there is an Abbey Road obstacle in it? With musical notes and stuff. I think it's a brilliant idea, placing subtle Beatles hints everywhere

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So on the radio today, I heard that the crowd spontaneously sang "All You Need Is Love" and that Macca joined in.

Anyone have info on that?

If it's true, that should answer some of the questions/suggestions put forth on this thread.

[by the way Mith,  I happen to love "Sing the Changes" - I even thought he should have released it as a single. And I liked it even more when I heard it played live. I guess that's what makes the world go 'round]

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Yes its true, Beatles Examiner posted a report with details.

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a-hard-days-night-ringo-14 Noooooo, and I've been watching the Olympics for 24/7 ( ok, not quite), and why did I miss such a thing?? Life isn't fair, all I've been seeing are picture of Sauli Niinistö sitting in the audience. Gawd. 

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