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Ranking Paul's Studio Albums
24 March 2014
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paulsbass said

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 that video paulsbass posted is brilliant. Love that a lot.

Yeah, that's gold, isn't it?

I wish I had that video two days ago…

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And can we all just move on and get back to hurling abuse at Give My Regards To Broad Street, no matter how much is thrown at that piece of crap its not enough.

"Well, probably we'll sell less records, less people'll go to see the film, we'll write less songs, and we'll all die of failure" (John Lennon 8/64)
24 March 2014
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Apparently. Even paulsbass (miss him already) won't defend it!

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24 March 2014
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I was pretty big on 12" Singles in the 80's, remember those?  I actually used to own the 12" Single of 'No More Lonely Nights', which featured two versions of the song ('Extended' & 'Mellow' versions) in addition to 'Silly Love Songs', that's one piece of vinyl that I don't regret parting with.  I'll "defend" 'Give My Regards To Broad Street' on one score, and that's that I believe that the film makes the album seem worse than it really is.  Without the film, would it have been trashed to the extent that it was?  Wouldn't it have been just another lacklustre McCartney collection where people would've looked to the bright spots, such as 'No More Lonely Nights', and justified it because of it?  Is it really worse than 'Press To Play'?…:-)

24 March 2014
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For the badly arranged Beatles covers alone, and pointlessly changing the lyrics of HT&E, Broad Street would have been slated regardless of the existence of the film; add in the pointless remakes of Ballroom Dancing, So Bad and Wanderlust (at least Silly Loves Songs was given a total reworking even it is terrible – scrap that it wasn't, just updated, i haven't heard it in years) and the appalling originals (excluding No More Lonely Nights, the lyrics and recordings of the others are dreadful) and the album is still a listeners nightmare. No one can justify all of that on the basis of one very good song (two if you include the disco version). 

I had never seen the film before i first heard the album and i detested it.

Its been asked before but this is an album with Paul, Ringo and George Martin so how can it be so bad? And that makes it worse, the potential was there for something great yet we get this utter abomination. 

 

And even flippin' worse is i will have to listen to the damn thing soon as i'm listening to all of Paul's released recordings (if i have them, a few i dont) in chronological order – about to head into London Town. Pipes of Peace, Broad Street and Press To Play all in a row! I might end up denouncing Paul.a-hard-days-night-paul-7

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24 March 2014
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I'm probably misremembering, but it seemed to me at the time that many reviewers disregarded the film entirely and chose instead to criticize Paul for those re-recordings on the soundtrack.

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24 March 2014
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Paulbass, you should stay in the group don't let one person ruin your enjoyment. Some people like to disagree about anything while also making snide little remarks or insults in a passive manner. But be the bigger person. They are usually discrediting themselves with absurd statements. 

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Von Bontee said
I'm probably misremembering, but it seemed to me at the time that many reviewers disregarded the film entirely and chose instead to criticize Paul for those re-recordings on the soundtrack.

 

I just feel as though the film shone a brighter spotlight on its shortcomings, not much different than 'Let It Be' really.  One of the highly publicized reviews of the 'Let It Be' album called it a "Cheapstake Epitaph" or a "sad ending to a musical fusion which wiped clean and drew again the face of popular music" which always sounded to me as if the reviewer was remarking on the "sad" state of the film instead of the album.  Beatles' classics such as 'Across The Universe', 'Let It Be', 'The Long And Winding Road' & 'Get Back' a "sad ending"?!  'Abbey Road' was a great "ending" while 'Let It Be' was a great "encore", but the film "cheapened" it or shone a brighter light on its rough spots I felt.  While 'Give My Regards To Broad Street' severely lacks the gems found on the 'Let It Be' record, the spectacle of the film brings out the downfalls of the music more, in my opinion.  There's atleast 4 or 5 other McCartney albums that are just as bad but don't get ridiculed like this one always does…:-)

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Hmm would be interesting to compare the worst albums of all four of there solo careers, to see who actually had the worst album. My guess it might go to Ringo the 4th.  

24 March 2014
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I would guess a lot of folk haven't heard much of Ringo's work, even the reportedly better ones.

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Musketeer Gripweed (kezron9) said
Hmm would be interesting to compare the worst albums of all four of there solo careers, to see who actually had the worst album. My guess it might go to Ringo the 4th.  

 

It'd be interesting because there'd probably be some disagreements on which should be up for consideration, such as, should John & Yoko's 'Two Virgins' be considered a John Lennon "solo" album?  If not, then why should Paul & Linda McCartney's 'RAM' be considered?…:-)

25 March 2014
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I'd say that anything released after September 1969 be considered. I think the albums John did with Yoko before the Beatles broke up were more to break her name into the music industry, also the style being avant garde, seems to have more of her creative input then Johns.  He definitely contributed but served more as a producer to help her. Also that was just for fun really. I 'd say we would have to consider there commercial solo rock albums. The whole RAM with Linda thing I believe was a swindle by Paul. I think it might have to do with Apple or his current record deal, forget were I read it but it was a financial move to give her credit.  

25 March 2014
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Musketeer Gripweed (kezron9) said
Hmm would be interesting to compare the worst albums of all four of there solo careers, to see who actually had the worst album. My guess it might go to Ringo the 4th.  

I love heart Ringo's music. But anyhoo, perhaps if you do want a discussion like this, one of you could start a thread for it so we can get this thread back on track.

I know someone started a "worst of Ringo" thread and mmm questioned if we needed discussions like that. Perhaps someone should start a thread to discuss if we need a thread on a topic. a-hard-days-night-paul-10

 

25 March 2014
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After I finish scoring all the songs, perhaps we could do a ranking of all the albums (Beatles and solo) from all of the members. Could be cool.

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After I finish scoring all the songs, perhaps we could do a ranking of all the albums (Beatles and solo) from all of the members. Could be cool.

That would take a long time to hear to all the solo stuff and plus it's still going so it can't be complete till there is no more solo stuff being made.

 

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25 March 2014
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Paulbass--

Hey, I'm a huge Paul fan.  

Proof:  I love Silly Love Songs.  More proof:  I think purely from the standpoint of its melody, that "No More Lonely Nights" is as lovely as any song by the Beatles either during the Beatles or during their post-Beatles career.  Gorgeous.  Even more proof: When I was a kid back in the 70s, I knew Wings before I knew the Beatles--I came to the Beatles via Wings.  I'm a huge Paul fan.  (Okay…I'm a huge fan of all things Beatles, frankly.) 

I'd say a couple of things to you.  I mostly read the forums.  I've contributed only a few times.  But I find these forums very entertaining and very informative.  And it'd be a shame, frankly, if you were to drop out.  Every position needs its advocates.  And the pro-Paul position needs its advocate, too.  You contribute a lot.  I see that.  But Joe is right.  The pro-Paul position needs advocates but not because "Paul" needs advocates.  Good grief, the man is the single most successful musician in history.  He's had a huge post-Beatles career.  He ranks among the most successful musicians even without the Beatles.  And if you look at the top 50 Beatles iTunes songs and the 50 most listened to Last.fm Beatles songs, Paul's songs easily outpace John's in contemporary popularity--and what is the best sign of greatness but sustained appreciation over time?  People adore Paul. Musicians adore Paul.  His career is huge.  Not just huge.  The biggest.  

But people are entitled to disagree.  They're entitled to think that he sucks.  They're even entitled to think that Sir Paul is evil incarnate.  That's just how it works in open forums.  That's how it SHOULD work.  And the strong advocates of opposing positions makes these forums worth reading (even if I don't contribute all that often). 

So my advice:  Come back.  Even the silent readers such as myself appreciate your opinion.  But I'd also encourage you to accept the reality that informed and well-meaning people disagree.  It's nothing personal.   

25 March 2014
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Annadog40 said
 

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After I finish scoring all the songs, perhaps we could do a ranking of all the albums (Beatles and solo) from all of the members. Could be cool.

That would take a long time to hear to all the solo stuff and plus it's still going so it can't be complete till there is no more solo stuff being made.

 

Well then Paul and Ringo should hurry up and drop dead already so we can start it up.

 

Disclaimer: I actually think it would really horrible if either Paul or Ringo died and I hope that doesn't happen for a long time.

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IveJustSeenAFaceo said

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After I finish scoring all the songs, perhaps we could do a ranking of all the albums (Beatles and solo) from all of the members. Could be cool.

That would take a long time to hear to all the solo stuff and plus it's still going so it can't be complete till there is no more solo stuff being made.

 

Well then Paul and Ringo should hurry up and drop dead already so we can start it up.

 

Disclaimer: I actually think it would really horrible if either Paul or Ringo died and I hope that doesn't happen for a long time.

Maybe we can do this in 5004 A.D.?

 

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Sounds good. I'll have to check my schedule, but I should be free.

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Annadog40 said

IveJustSeenAFaceo said

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IveJustSeenAFaceo said
After I finish scoring all the songs, perhaps we could do a ranking of all the albums (Beatles and solo) from all of the members. Could be cool.

That would take a long time to hear to all the solo stuff and plus it's still going so it can't be complete till there is no more solo stuff being made.

 

Well then Paul and Ringo should hurry up and drop dead already so we can start it up.

 

Disclaimer: I actually think it would really horrible if either Paul or Ringo died and I hope that doesn't happen for a long time.

Maybe we can do this in 5004 A.D.?

 

I think i'm otherwise engaged then. Sorry.

 

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Michael B said
Paulbass--

Hey, I'm a huge Paul fan.  

Proof:  I love Silly Love Songs.  More proof:  I think purely from the standpoint of its melody, that "No More Lonely Nights" is as lovely as any song by the Beatles either during the Beatles or during their post-Beatles career.  Gorgeous.  Even more proof: When I was a kid back in the 70s, I knew Wings before I knew the Beatles--I came to the Beatles via Wings.  I'm a huge Paul fan.  (Okay…I'm a huge fan of all things Beatles, frankly.) 

I'd say a couple of things to you.  I mostly read the forums.  I've contributed only a few times.  But I find these forums very entertaining and very informative.  And it'd be a shame, frankly, if you were to drop out.  Every position needs its advocates.  And the pro-Paul position needs its advocate, too.  You contribute a lot.  I see that.  But Joe is right.  The pro-Paul position needs advocates but not because "Paul" needs advocates.  Good grief, the man is the single most successful musician in history.  He's had a huge post-Beatles career.  He ranks among the most successful musicians even without the Beatles.  And if you look at the top 50 Beatles iTunes songs and the 50 most listened to Last.fm Beatles songs, Paul's songs easily outpace John's in contemporary popularity--and what is the best sign of greatness but sustained appreciation over time?  People adore Paul. Musicians adore Paul.  His career is huge.  Not just huge.  The biggest.  

But people are entitled to disagree.  They're entitled to think that he sucks.  They're even entitled to think that Sir Paul is evil incarnate.  That's just how it works in open forums.  That's how it SHOULD work.  And the strong advocates of opposing positions makes these forums worth reading (even if I don't contribute all that often). 

So my advice:  Come back.  Even the silent readers such as myself appreciate your opinion.  But I'd also encourage you to accept the reality that informed and well-meaning people disagree.  It's nothing personal.   

Hey @Michael B  I completely agree. But everyone is singling out @paulsbass . People were ranking Pauls albums and there was a comment saying all his stuff sucks and isn't even worth rankings. When the thread is asking to rank the albums, most people were ranking there favorites and happen to be fans usually if there taking time to rank. Also multiple people left comments saying they thought the negative comment was a strong choice of words well because this is pro Paul thread for the most part. They are entitled to opinion just strong wording was provocative Also paulbass wasn't defending Paul he was defending his opinion. Anyway yeah it got out of hand, but thread kind of got derailed by the comment which didn't even meet thread criteria by not ranking. I try to comment on the topics I enjoy, not provoke disagreements. If not I just don't comment. All I am saying is that we should all be courteous to each other. But there were some subtle and snide remarks by other user.  I am only trying to mediate the situation and would hate for a member of the community to leave because they felt bullied by more than one user or ganged up on. So lets in Pauls words Let it Be and get thread back on track. Forgive and forget were all fans with different opinions and likes. Maybe we should at a debate topic or section for debates? 

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