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27 February 2014
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Now Now, we've had our fun, so as we Smile Away I have to say that that's the first time that I've heard Paul personally claim ownership (pun intended) and admitting that 'Too Many People' was in fact directed towards John during the video that meanmistermustard posted above, but I feel that it was perhaps to redirect attention away from his comments about 'Dear Boy' which I don't find his explanation all that convincing.  It's about Linda's Ex-Husband?!  If the song is indeed an extension of a hand reaching out to him (Mel I think he said his name was) as Paul wants you to believe here, why the use of the word "Boy"?  I mean, what red-blooded male wants to be addressed as a "Boy"?!  An Ex-Husband by his "replacement"?!  Sorry, but I have a hard time swallowing that story, the lyrics sound as though they're being preached ("Too Many People Preaching Practises") from a High Horse (or, RAM?) towards somebody who's made Paul feel rather small, and I hardly think that this man who was supposedly out of touch with them at the time fits this criteria.  I believe that, like 'Too Many People', 'Dear Boy' was indeed directed towards John and Paul regrets the tone he used, "Mel" sounds like the perfect out here to me…:-)     

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When RAM first came out I can remember everyone was looking for all the meanings in the songs. It was clear to everyone at that time that Too Many People was about John and Yoko.That 3 Legs was about John, George and Ringo. And Smile Away was about anyone who had picked sides in the Beatles inner circle. We had no word from Paul, but it's what we all thought at the time.

It was also pretty to everyone I hung out with that Dear Boy was about Linda's ex.

However it's hard to imagine that song was any type of olive branch to Mel (no one knew his name at the time – this is the way pre-internet info age). In fact it sounded then as it sounds like know, that Linda's ex really blew it by letting her go.

It's hard to imagine that song being about John at all.

 

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From what i've read Dear Boy is more Paul saying Mel was an idiot for letting Linda go or losing her and how Linda since saved Paul; it doesn't appear to me thru the lyrics to be an offer of peace, more a-hard-days-night-paul-11 for being a prat.

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Be interested in what you all think about the picture on the sleeve of the beetle mounting the other beetle, a "shot across the bow" if I ever saw one.  I remember Yoko commenting on how John wasn't happy with some of the songs on 'RAM' as his inspiration behind 'How Do You Sleep?', so it appears that it wasn't just 'Too Many People' that John himself took exception to…:-)

28 February 2014
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Billy Rhythm said
Be interested in what you all think about the picture on the sleeve of the beetle mounting the other beetle, a "shot across the bow" if I ever saw one.  I remember Yoko commenting on how John wasn't happy with some of the songs on 'RAM' as his inspiration behind 'How Do You Sleep?', so it appears that it wasn't just 'Too Many People' that John himself took exception to…:-)

Oh for sure – as I mentioned above – there were at least three songs that were aimed at John and/or the Beatles – all of which no doubt John took personal exception to. In terms of the shot of the beetles on the album – everyone noticed that when it first came out – to us it meant one of two things – either "f*ck the Beatles" or that "one Beatle was f*cking another".

In either case it was pretty intense stuff. And then John had the shot of him holding the pig as an insert to the Imagine album – that was a jaw dropper.

 

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robert said

 

In terms of the shot of the beetles on the album – everyone noticed that when it first came out – to us it meant one of two things – either "f*ck the Beatles" or that "one Beatle was f*cking another".

In either case it was pretty intense stuff. And then John had the shot of him holding the pig as an insert to the Imagine album – that was a jaw dropper.

 

 

I interpreted it to be the same message (The 'RAM' Beetle Pic) that Paul sent along with 'Let Me Roll It' later on when he said, "I Want To Tell You that you're going to be mine" only the picture was much more graphic.  For me the 'How Do You Sleep?'/'Let Me Roll It' tandem is the high point of The Beatles' solo works, and in a way an even better "reunion" than the fabulous 'I'm The Greatest' for both of those songs could be credited as Lennon/McCartney due to the way they influenced each other to new heights just like in the old days.  Although much more vicious by way of competition for besting each other, further underscored by George's participation on 'How Do You Sleep?', they proved for one last time that they could bring out the best in each other.  Both these tracks are top notch and stand out amongst their other solo material, and don't discount John's 'I'm The Greatest's role here for you know it must've cut Paul deeply that Klaus Voorman was substituted in for him on bass on this excellent "reunion" track, another high point in The Beatles solo works, I think that I'm gonna go listen to it right now as a matter of fact…:-)

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I don't think Paul was bummed at Klaus playing bass on I'm The Greatest. He wasn't in town at the time so couldn't attend the session, it wasn't like he was blanked or turned up at the door and got told to go away, only Klein supporters were allowed. 

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I think the point here is that Paul never knew about the session until after it happened, and probably would've flown in from just about anywhere had he been told about it, it's something he never discusses but how could he not feel left out on this one, I believe that even Billy Preston was in on the session as well, everyone except for Paul.

 

Getting back to 'RAM', it's a curious album in the sense that it invites such polarizing opinions on its musical merits.  I mean, you either love or you hate it in most cases.  Someone posted the Jon Landau 1971 review earlier and finds his comments on 'Heart of The Country' & 'Monkberry Moon Delight' astonishing, yet I find them to be bang on.  If I remember right, I actually picked the needle up off of the song 'Heart of The Country' upon first spinning the vinyl when he started up that 'Manamanama-Meemee-O-My, Manamanama-Meemee-O-My-My-My…………" crap thinking to myself, "this can't be the same person who wrote 'Eleanor Rigby'" and "maybe Paul really is dead!"  When I first saw the title 'Monkberry Moon Delight' it was "what's this all about?" and "hopefully it's just another instrumental ala 'McCartney'", but when he starts going off like he does on this track against what's probably Linda's most annoying backing vocals ever (and I like a lot of her singing) it has me really scratching my head as to what the hell happened to his songwriting abilities.  For those of you who really love this album and can't understand why so many don't like it, the one's who hate it are just as puzzled by why it's so fascinating to you.  I don't think that any other Beatle album has such opposite extreme reactions to it as this one does….:-)

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I'm indifferent towards Ram. It's OK, I guess, but when compared with Band On The Run and Chaos And Creation, it's really not up there with his best.

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The pendulum swings too far one way and then the other. It's true in so many aspects of life, why not here?

The album was panned when it came out. I agreed that a number of songs were sophomoric and could have been written by anyone who could play 3 chords. That included "Smile Away"  (the "Oh Darling" voice notwithstanding). That's the one song on the album I can't listen to. Other songs did nothing for me – "Too Many People," "Ram On," "3 legs," the "Uncle Albert" part of the Ablert/Halsey song, "Eat at Home," "Long Haired Lady" … Blah. Filler.

So yea, this was not going to be on par with any Beatle album.

But contrary to those of you above on this thread, I LOVED (and still love) "Monkberry Moon Delight." In fact, at the risk of losing all respectability in your eyes, I would say that if I could only take a handful of Macca songs with me on a desert island, this would be one of them. I love the piano riff; I love the crazy lyrics; I love his voice; and I love the scat singing over the last minute or two of the song. I love all those long endings with his voice all over the place. That includes "Hey Jude" and "Nineteen Hundred and Eighty Five."

I also like the guitar riffs on "Heart of the country" and haven't tired of the song.

"Dear Boy" is a great exercise in overlapping melodies. I never gave one thought to what it was about. This is the first time I've ever heard anyone refer to Linda's ex; didn't even know she had one. (I know she had a daughter.) Who cares? Who gives a flying fig whether Lennon thought it was about him? He thought "Hey Jude" was for him!

The "Halsey" half of the "Uncle Albert" song is enjoyable in not-too-deep a fashion.

Finally, "The Back Seat of My Car" is a song that I never even noticed when the record came out, probably because there so many songs above it I didn't care for.  I paid attention for the first time when McCartney released "Wingspan." And to my surprise, I really enjoyed it. Very anthem-like ("oh, we believe that we can't be wrong…"). 

So that's 4 1/2 good songs out of 12. Nothing great – which is why I'm surprised by how excited everyone is today about this album. Having said that, the songs that I like make it worthwhile. It's roughly on par with McCartney, Tug of War, Off the Ground, Driving Rain…   above Wild Life, Red Rose Speedway, Pipes of Peace, McCartney II,  Back to the Egg, Press to Play.

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Into the Sky with Diamonds said
The pendulum swings too far one way and then the other. It's true in so many aspects of life, why not here?

The album was panned when it came out. I agreed that a number of songs were sophomoric and could have been written by anyone who could play 3 chords. That included "Smile Away"  (the "Oh Darling" voice notwithstanding). That's the one song on the album I can't listen to. Other songs did nothing for me – "Too Many People," "Ram On," "3 legs," the "Uncle Albert" part of the Ablert/Halsey song, "Eat at Home," "Long Haired Lady" … Blah. Filler.

So yea, this was not going to be on par with any Beatle album.

But contrary to those of you above on this thread, I LOVED (and still love) "Monkberry Moon Delight." In fact, at the risk of losing all respectability in your eyes, I would say that if I could only take a handful of Macca songs with me on a desert island, this would be one of them. I love the piano riff; I love the crazy lyrics; I love his voice; and I love the scat singing over the last minute or two of the song. I love all those long endings with his voice all over the place. That includes "Hey Jude" and "Nineteen Hundred and Eighty Five."

I also like the guitar riffs on "Heart of the country" and haven't tired of the song.

"Dear Boy" is a great exercise in overlapping melodies. I never gave one thought to what it was about. This is the first time I've ever heard anyone refer to Linda's ex; didn't even know she had one. (I know she had a daughter.) Who cares? Who gives a flying fig whether Lennon thought it was about him? He thought "Hey Jude" was for him!

The "Halsey" half of the "Uncle Albert" song is enjoyable in not-too-deep a fashion.

Finally, "The Back Seat of My Car" is a song that I never even noticed when the record came out, probably because there so many songs above it I didn't care for.  I paid attention for the first time when McCartney released "Wingspan." And to my surprise, I really enjoyed it. Very anthem like ("oh, we believe that we can't be wrong…"). 

So that's 4 1/2 good songs out of 12. Nothing great – which is why I'm surprised by how excited everyone is today about this album. Having said that, the songs that I like make it worthwhile. It's roughly on par with McCartney, Tug of War, Off the Ground, Driving Rain…   above Wild Life, Red Rose Speedway, Pipes of Peace, McCartney II,  Back to the Egg, Press to Play.

Go ahead – I'm ready for the "horrible sound of tomato"

No tomato from me. I love Ram.

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I think Linda's backing vocals are one of the best things about this album.

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I still can't believe this LP was panned when it came out. Great stuff on this LP!

Now "Wild Life" is another story……….paul-mccartney

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Bongo said
I still can't believe this LP was panned when it came out. Great stuff on this LP!

Now "Wild Life" is another story……….paul-mccartney

Schucks. I love 'Wild Life' (despite Bip Bop).

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Bongo said
I still can't believe this LP was panned when it came out. Great stuff on this LP!

Now "Wild Life" is another story……….paul-mccartney

Agreed on Ram.

However, I like Wild Life. I don't love it, but it's not the crap it's made out to be.

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Bongo said

I still can't believe this LP was panned when it came out. Great stuff on this LP!

Now "Wild Life" is another story……….paul-mccartney

I'm also a fan of Wild Life! It's definitely got some some good stuff on it. Love Dear Friend.

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Can I just say that I like "Heart of the Country"'s acoustic-guitar-soloing-with-scat-singing-accompaniment MUCH better than "Rocky Raccoon"'s similar trick with scatting-and-tack-piano? Yeah, I can say that.

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