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9 July 2013
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Hi, all…I'm new to all this. Just wanted to know…when Paul married Nancy, he said he was going to convert to Judaism. Does anyone know if he ever did or is in the process of doing it? Thanks!

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10 July 2013
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Did he ever say that? I'd never heard about it. Do you have a source for the quote?

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10 July 2013
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Yeah..he said it and he surprised me since Linda was also Jewish. I believe the source was BeatlesNews.com. It was posted on there shortly after he married Nancy. He said it in a post-marriage interview. I just always wondered if he followed up on it. My guess is that he has been far too busy to think about it. His kids aren't Jewish. I believe Paul was raised Catholic.

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10 July 2013
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My professor in a class on American history when he got to the 60s culture, mentioned the phrase "the British invasion" (invasion of bands like the Beatles and Stones, influencing American music) -- then with a grin said, "actually, the Beatles were really three Irishmen and a Jew!"  I.e., though hailing from Liverpool, evidently there are many people of Irish extraction in Liverpool; and apparently Ringo is Jewish?

 

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Paul's conversion to Judaism seems to have the status of a rumor, from what I can glean from some Googling.  I never knew Linda was Jewish.  She would be yet another Jewish person who doesn't "look Jewish" (to my perception) to add to the list of Jewish celebrities -- William Shatner, Meryl Streep, Goldie Hawn…

 

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10 July 2013
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Ringo isn't Jewish. Its somewhere in the Anthology dvds, I remember him laughing about it but forget where or what the comment was about – possibly one of the many problems in '66 when touring (US, Manila, Japan).

Where do these stories come from?

(Going off topic. Did a google search for the quote and had a look on some forums for the relevant info and my word is some crap written on the beatles. Do people even think before they type?)

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11 July 2013
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^^ Yes, I remember Ringo relaying a story of a Jewish publication in Liverpool contacting him wanting to interview the Jewish Beatle, and he had to break the news to them that he wasn't.

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11 July 2013
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Linda Eastman was Jewish…her family was/is Jewish. Ringo isn't (not that all this matters.."imagine no religion")..just curious about Paul converting since marrying Nancy. I also wonder about George. To whom was he referring in "My Sweet Lord?" I think all of the Beatles were or are on a journey of seeking out different faiths and purpose in life. Look at India…they were ready to buy into the Marharishi's "ministry" (I use that term loosely). I wonder how (and if) John resolved his faith questions before he died. I think he was really curious and intent to find the "truth."

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meanmistermustard said
Ringo isn't Jewish. Its somewhere in the Anthology dvds, I remember him laughing about it but forget where or what the comment was about – possibly one of the many problems in '66 when touring (US, Manila, Japan).
 

He was telling the story of how they were perfroming in Montreal with the 'body guard' sitting at the base of his drum kit ("what's he gonna do, catch the bullet with his bare hands?"). It had something to with a threat from protesters who wanted to make an example of him as 'an English Jew'. As he said, "the only trouble was, I wasn't Jewish."

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Linda Eastman was Jewish…her family was/is Jewish.

Right – the family's real last name was Epstein…something that Allen Klein/John Lennon found out and used to try and make the Eastman's uncomfortable during business meetings.

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12 July 2013
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Interesting about the Eastman's last name originally being Epstein (kinda' creepy) Now, I just read that Paul is going to go ahead with some concerts in Israel despite getting death threats. Wonder if his desire to perform there is a clue to his conversion to the Jewish faith?

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12 July 2013
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mccartneyalarm said
Interesting about the Eastman's last name originally being Epstein (kinda' creepy) Now, I just read that Paul is going to go ahead with some concerts in Israel despite getting death threats. Wonder if his desire to perform there is a clue to his conversion to the Jewish faith?

Paul also bravely went ahead to perform in Israel in 2008 -- before his supposed "conversion".

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12 July 2013
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It might just be possible Paul wants to play in Israel as he has fans there. I know its a strange concept.

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14 July 2013
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meanmistermustard said
It might just be possible Paul wants to play in Israel as he has fans there. I know its a strange concept.

Sure; but the context in terms of other musicians is more complicated -- unlike for any other place on the planet, as this article from Israel National News describes:

Dozens of other artists who schedule dates in Israel are lobbied, bullied, threatened, and even attacked at concerts by anti-Israel groups who are bent on isolating Israel culturally, as well as economically. Many artists, said Shay, claimed that their web sites have been attacked by hackers right before their Israeli concerts.

Alicia Keys, who recently played a concert here last week, supplies the latest example of intimidation faced by artists who play Israel. Several of her fellow singers – notably Elvis Costello and Roger Waters – urged her to cancel, calling Israel an “apartheid state,” and Keys' Facebook page was littered with condemnations of her on the day of the concert. Costello himself cancelled a concert in Israel in 2010, as did Carlos Santana, after being hectored by anti-Israel groups. Other notables who have cancelled planned concerts in Israel are Jon Bon Jovi, the Yardbirds, Joe Lynn Turner, and the Pixies. Spanish singer Paco Ibanez went one better, telling a French newspaper that he is boycotting the Hebrew language, which he can speak, for political reasons.

But despite the pressure and threats, there are many artists who continue to play Israel. In the past month, rock bands Deep Purple and the Pet Shop Boys have held concerts in Israel, and American artist Rihanna is scheduled to take her second tour here in October. And of course, there was Madonna.

Many of these artists, Shay said, decided to perform in Israel despite the threats. “When singer Moby was interviewed on Army Radio shortly before he performed in Israel, he said that the intensity of the attacks against him before he came to Israel made him suspect that this wasn't an objective movement that was concerned with people's welfare, but with something dark and dubious.” Unfortunately, though, “most artists just don't want to deal with it. It's much easier for them to release a statement that they won't be appearing in Israel 'for reasons of conscience' rather than to say their lives are being threatened and they're frightened.”

http://www.israelnationalnews……eI8U6CXQ1L

 

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16 July 2013
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This very much reminds me of the situation with apartheid in South Africa, and how musicians and sports stars united in (or defied) a boycott against the regime. It's never as simple as just saying "I want to play music to my fans," and McCartney should well know it. By playing in Israel he's effectively endorsing the actions of the government there. Queen tried a similar line when they played Sun City in SA in the 1980s (and I believe they later expressed regret for it). Perhaps McCartney agrees with the Israeli occupation; I have no idea.

Sure, some non-politically-minded performers do probably pull out because they can well do without the hassle, but I suspect a good proportion are expressing solidarity with the Palestinian people.

"The intensity of the attacks against him before he came to Israel made [Moby] suspect that this wasn't an objective movement that was concerned with people's welfare, but with something dark and dubious." Well, there's a usefully vague insinuation. A person can easily oppose a political situation without being anti-Semitic, part of a broader lobbying group or anything else "dark and dubious", but I suppose if you don't quote people directly you're free to make allegations on their behalf. I tried to find that interview on the Army Radio site but couldn't; I'd like to hear it.

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16 July 2013
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My point was that Paul playing in Israel doesn't necessarily point to him becoming a Jew. Regardless of what's happening in any country and any statements made by playing or not (and musicians have to be aware and alert to who and where they are performing) surely Paul would want to play there for his fans (and by fans I don't mean Royalty, Tyrants, Rulers, Revolutionaries etc).

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16 July 2013
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I'm with mmm. Paul playing Israel in 2013 is no more proof of him converting to Judaism than him playing there in 2008. None.

Maybe his fascination with playing to audiences there is similar to his fascination with playing in countries behind the former "Iron Curtain" – the fact that he was banned for so long.

It seems to me that this story began with a story in the American National Enquirer – not renowned for letting facts get in the way of a story.

I would suggest, were Paul's religion important to her, Nancy would have wanted the conversion before the marriage, and she did not. I would furthermore suggest, were her faith so important to her, why was there no Jewish element to the wedding?

Had Paul converted there would be at least one dubiously-sourced story stating it. I can't find anything but rumours all seeming to lead to the National Enquirer. Until I find better I'm saying no conversion has happened.

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meanmistermustard said
My point was that Paul playing in Israel doesn't necessarily point to him becoming a Jew. Regardless of what's happening in any country and any statements made by playing or not (and musicians have to be aware and alert to who and where they are performing) surely Paul would want to play there for his fans (and by fans I don't mean Royalty, Tyrants, Rulers, Revolutionaries etc).

And my point is that there is such a general prejudice against Israel among pop artists, why would Paul be immune?  Except that he isn't, so good for him.  That makes him distinctive among pop artists today (with a few exceptions), apparently.

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18 July 2013
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To change topics here from the Israel thing…does anyone think that Paul will eventually stop touring? I've had 2 Beatles fanatic friends tell me they think he should cuz his voice is going (like Sinatra's did). I disagree with that. Second question…do you think Paul & Ringo will ever do a concert together (just one!)

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18 July 2013
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Yes Paul will stop touring, he might have to be dead for it to happen but it will. The number of shows he puts on will surely come down in number eventually as he ages but he is very fit and in good health so it might not be for a while. As long as he is able and enjoys it and fans are turning up and enjoying it I don't see why he should quit, his legacy is rightly secured so even if his voice is going then does it matter? Only the idiots would lessen his achievements and status because they thought he went on performing past a given point in time.

 

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18 July 2013
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Didn't Paul say something about when he's 80 he'll stop touring? Or maybe I just imagined that… personally I think Paul sounds great.

Paul and Ringo have performed together on a number of different occasions but if they will ever do a "Paul & Ringo Together Again After All These Years" will go on…nah I don't think so, it'd be nice if they did but I don't really care if they don't.

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