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Paul's "Out There" tour (contains spoilers)
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So far as the Beatles-themed cafes go, I'm sure Paul would be offended by, and have huge problems with, people creating pop-up venues based on his visit that sell meat.

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I thought that was weird too. At least they're not calling a Paul-themed cafe. Maybe they'll observe meat-free Mondays. :-|

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Reminds me of years ago, probably back in the '90s, Morrissey was playing a gig in Scotland - I think it was Glasgow, and every ticket had an offer for a free Big Mac printed on the back. Mr. "Meat-Is-Murder" was not happy.

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Reminds me of years ago, probably back in the '90s, Morrissey was playing a gig in Scotland - I think it was Glasgow, and every ticket had an offer for a free Big Mac printed on the back. Mr. "Meat-Is-Murder" was not happy.

I am kind of a bias opinion with this stuff because I am a vegetarian.  I know Morrissey is pretty in-your-face about it, but I wouldn't blame the guy for being pissed off about that, I would be.

It's the same with Paul not wanting meat on his tour.  Is it that big of a deal for people not to eat it for a while?  If they don't like it, they don't have to work for Paul McCartney.  

It is a personal choice to be a vegetarian and I don't push it on people….  but really, it's not the worst thing in the world.  

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I agree with you, in a way. I can see Paul being mad about meat being sold on a stall ''dedicated'' to him, but ''banning'' it anywhere near him altogether is a bit much, I think. No, it's not hard to be veggie for a while, but isn't it nice to be able to have your own choice? You're not going to turn a job offer down on the basis you're hungry and you like meat, as wrong as I think it is, but I don't think it's entirely fair.

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I agree with you, in a way. I can see Paul being mad about meat being sold on a stall ''dedicated'' to him, but ''banning'' it anywhere near him altogether is a bit much, I think. No, it's not hard to be veggie for a while, but isn't it nice to be able to have your own choice? You're not going to turn a job offer down on the basis you're hungry and you like meat, as wrong as I think it is, but I don't think it's entirely fair.

Would people actually turn down a job offer to work for Paul McCartney because they couldn't eat meat?  I just can't understand that.  Seems like a small price to pay… if you even want to call it that.  Again, I am a bias opinion…  I mean, the meat-free thing isn't even just a moral thing anymore, a lot of people do it strictly for health reasons.  Really, he's doing his staff a favour.  But for people like Paul and myself who have done if for years, it's not a big deal because it's a way of life…  and once you do it for a while, you wonder why you ever needed meat in the first place.

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Doctors, even in the field of alternative medicine including naturopathy, sometimes recommend that certain patients add red meat to their diet because they have special problems that cannot be addressed with a vegetarian diet.  Certainly, someone like that could find another job if they were offered the opportunity to work for Paul's organization.  But that doesn't make Paul's position on this right.

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Funny Paper said
Doctors, even in the field of alternative medicine including naturopathy, sometimes recommend that certain patients add red meat to their diet because they have special problems that cannot be addressed with a vegetarian diet.  Certainly, someone like that could find another job if they were offered the opportunity to work for Paul's organization.  But that doesn't make Paul's position on this right.

I don't think that's a common thing…  but I'm sure it does happen.  What is it that someone would need from red meat?  I take B12 and Iron supplements…  and protein comes from MANY sources.  What is it this red meat would provide?  Not trying to argue, I'm just curious.

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I have no problem with Paul providing only a vegetarian menu for the backstage catering. If he's paying to feed them, it's his right to have what he wants on his shopping list. Where I think he takes it too far is his complete prohibition of them eating any meat whatsoever while working for him. If you pop into the local burger joint and buy yourself a burger with your own money, and eat it on the way to the venue, you should not face the sack for that. Whatever way you turn it, it is discrimination. And were he practicing any other form of discrimination, for instance refusing to employ any women as part of his roadcrew, I'm sure he'd be getting a lot of criticism from those who defend his right to discriminate against meat-eaters. It is the totality of his ruling that disturbs me.

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I don't know how we got on this topic here, since it we were discussing a Beatles cafe that serves meat, and not how Paul feeds his crew.

Nevertheless, based on the discussion at the questions you'd ask Paul thread, it doesn't sound like Paul is that totalitarian about people not eating meat if his own drummer can write openly about eating gourmet burgers. It's rather that, as you say, mja, if Paul is footing the bill, the choices are going to be vegetarian. Which I think is fair.

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mja6758 said
I have no problem with Paul providing only a vegetarian menu for the backstage catering. If he's paying to feed them, it's his right to have what he wants on his shopping list. Where I think he takes it too far is his complete prohibition of them eating any meat whatsoever while working for him. If you pop into the local burger joint and buy yourself a burger with your own money, and eat it on the way to the venue, you should not face the sack for that. Whatever way you turn it, it is discrimination. And were he practicing any other form of discrimination, for instance refusing to employ any women as part of his roadcrew, I'm sure he'd be getting a lot of criticism from those who defend his right to discriminate against meat-eaters. It is the totality of his ruling that disturbs me.

I can see that point.  People should be able to eat what they want on their own time for sure.

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I don't know how we got on this topic here, since it we were discussing a Beatles cafe that serves meat, and not how Paul feeds his crew.

Nevertheless, based on the discussion at the questions you'd ask Paul thread, it doesn't sound like Paul is that totalitarian about people not eating meat if his own drummer can write openly about eating gourmet burgers. It's rather that, as you say, mja, if Paul is footing the bill, the choices are going to be vegetarian. Which I think is fair.

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The topic is "Paul's Out There Tour"… so it's not like we're going off topic, it's just where the conversation headed.  a-hard-days-night-paul-10

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parlance said
I don't know how we got on this topic here, since it we were discussing a Beatles cafe that serves meat, and not how Paul feeds his crew.

Nevertheless, based on the discussion at the questions you'd ask Paul thread, it doesn't sound like Paul is that totalitarian about people not eating meat if his own drummer can write openly about eating gourmet burgers. It's rather that, as you say, mja, if Paul is footing the bill, the choices are going to be vegetarian. Which I think is fair.

parlance

The topic is "Paul's Out There Tour"… so it's not like we're going off topic, it's just where the conversation headed.  a-hard-days-night-paul-10

 

I didn't say it was off topic. It headed that way because you made a connection between Morrissey not being happy with the cross-signals of selling meat with the message "Meat is Murder" with Paul not wanting meat served on his tour:

 

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mja6758 said
Reminds me of years ago, probably back in the '90s, Morrissey was playing a gig in Scotland - I think it was Glasgow, and every ticket had an offer for a free Big Mac printed on the back. Mr. "Meat-Is-Murder" was not happy.

I am kind of a bias opinion with this stuff because I am a vegetarian.  I know Morrissey is pretty in-your-face about it, but I wouldn't blame the guy for being pissed off about that, I would be.

It's the same with Paul not wanting meat on his tour.  Is it that big of a deal for people not to eat it for a while?  If they don't like it, they don't have to work for Paul McCartney.  

It is a personal choice to be a vegetarian and I don't push it on people….  but really, it's not the worst thing in the world.  

 

But no one was arguing against Paul's right to be a vegetarian or to serve his crew what he wants on his bill. Mja was pointing out that Paul wouldn't be happy with the Beatles cafe serving meat, and I agreed.

I'm pretty sure you and I are arguing the same thing, LHL, so... no argument here. :-)

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^  Duly noted.

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Funny Paper said
Doctors, even in the field of alternative medicine including naturopathy, sometimes recommend that certain patients add red meat to their diet because they have special problems that cannot be addressed with a vegetarian diet.  Certainly, someone like that could find another job if they were offered the opportunity to work for Paul's organization.  But that doesn't make Paul's position on this right.

I don't think that's a common thing…  but I'm sure it does happen.  What is it that someone would need from red meat?  I take B12 and Iron supplements…  and protein comes from MANY sources.  What is it this red meat would provide?  Not trying to argue, I'm just curious.

I can't remember exactly what the medical explanation is; I just know I worked for a naturopath who, like most naturopaths, is firmly acculturated in the whole alternative medicine world and health foods etc. which includes the benefits of a more vegetarian diet, and yet for a certain minority of patients, advised them to eat red meat.

The supposedly small number of a minority is not relevant to whether it's right to discriminate against them, I would think.

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From Paul's site:

Paul was met by thousands of excited Japanese fans on Saturday after he flew into Osaka for his first tour of Japan in 11 years.

Paul's "Out There" tour will see him performing to fans in Osaka, Fukuoka and Tokyo over the next two weeks and his fist gig of the tour - at the Kyocera Dome in Osaka - is taking place as we write this new story!

To mark this special occasion PaulMcCartney.com recently sat down with Paul to do a Q&A about Japan, including questions from Japanese fans. We will publish these on the website over the next couple of weeks in both English and Japanese. Read the first question below:

PaulMcCartney.com:
"What are your favourite memories of Japan?"

Paul:
"Some of my favourite memories are staying at a traditional Japanese hotel in Kyoto, sleeping on the floor and then sitting around by the open fire in the morning. Also playing to fantastic Japanese audiences!"

Check back later this week for the next update.

 

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He didn't mention his week in a Japanese jail in 1980? :P Seriously, I wonder if he still gets asked that over there?

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He didn't mention his week in a Japanese jail in 1980? :P Seriously, I wonder if he still gets asked that over there?

:-D I imagine his PR teams tells journalists that question is forbidden. Every article I read on his return brings it up, though. So often, in fact, for a moment, I thought this was his first tour (or would-be tour) in Japan since 1980. But he did one in the early 2000s.

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mja6758 said
Reminds me of years ago, probably back in the '90s, Morrissey was playing a gig in Scotland - I think it was Glasgow, and every ticket had an offer for a free Big Mac printed on the back. Mr. "Meat-Is-Murder" was not happy.

:lol: I'm a huge Smiths/Moz fan so this makes me laugh, not least because I'm reading his just-released memoir right now...such a strange individual (not that I didn't already think that).

And parlance, he always seemed pretty open discussing it...hell, his own daughter asked him about it in the Wingspan doc.

 

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And parlance, he always seemed pretty open discussing it...hell, his own daughter asked him about it in the Wingspan doc.

 

Oh, really? I haven't seen it yet. Another to add to the long list. I would think that would get tedious after a while, though.

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