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Paul's Granny Shit Music
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I wouldn’t call Cole Porter and George Gershwin “granny music”. Good for Paul, Rod, Sting, and all the great ones that are keeping those “classics” alive.

Forsan et haec olim meminisse juvabit” (“Perhaps one day it will be a pleasure to look back on even this”; Virgil, The Aeneid, Book 1, line 203, where Aeneas says this to his men after the shipwreck that put them on the shores of Africa)

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I’m sure this will never happen, but I really can hear it in my mind’s ear…

Gotta say, I hope it STAYS in your mind’s ear and nowhere else, Mr. Fields! I hate this kind of technological-graverobbing…Leave the 1920s recordings alone!! If people want to buy them, let them buy them on their own merits. And let Paul record his own brand-new versions. (Meanwhile, forget Sting/Rod – I’ll stick to my Ella Fitzgerald records, thanks! Or Barbra Streisand.)

Calling Gershwin/Porter compositions “granny music” (which they kinda are) is a lot nicer & more accurate than calling them “granny shit”!

GEORGE: In fact, The Detroit Sound. JOHN: In fact, yes. GEORGE: In fact, yeah. Tamla-Motown artists are our favorites. The Miracles. JOHN: We like Marvin Gaye. GEORGE: The Impressions PAUL & GEORGE: Mary Wells. GEORGE: The Exciters. RINGO: Chuck Jackson. JOHN: To name but eighty. 

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Well, put it this way:  Cole Porter and Gershwin are “granny music” in the perspective of the rock-&-roller with a chip on his shoulder. 

But this loose genre of “granny music” is a bit imprecise and sometimes causes more confusion than it sheds light.  Still, it would be useful and interesting to try to specify what it’s evoking.  One doesn’t want to be too loosey-goosey — nor too strictly limiting, either.

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vonbontee said

I’m sure this will never happen, but I really can hear it in my mind’s ear…

Gotta say, I hope it STAYS in your mind’s ear and nowhere else, Mr. Fields! I hate this kind of technological-graverobbing…Leave the 1920s recordings alone!! If people want to buy them, let them buy them on their own merits. And let Paul record his own brand-new versions. (Meanwhile, forget Sting/Rod – I’ll stick to my Ella Fitzgerald records, thanks! Or Barbra Streisand.)

Calling Gershwin/Porter compositions “granny music” (which they kinda are) is a lot nicer & more accurate than calling them “granny shit”!

MISTER FIELDS REGRETS  —  with apologies to Cole Porter (RIP)

 

Mister Fields regrets he’s reluctant to post any more, Bontee,

Due to a comment here a few weeks before …

Accused of being a knave,

For robbing dear Mister Porter’s grave, Bontee,

Mister Fields regrets he’s reluctant to post any more.

 

Last week Mister Fields attained age Sixty Four, Bontee.

It may be his time for closing the internet door …

To abandon this Beatles website,

And retire to the Isle of Wight, Bontee,

Mister Fields regrets he’s reluctant to post any more.

 

His “island collection” of music is stacked on the floor, Bontee.

He’s packing it up for the cruise to the Isle of Wight’s shore.

Saint Ella and Sweet Lady Day,

Trombone Cholly and Sidney Bechet, Bontee,

All regret Mister Fields is reluctant to post any more.

 

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Love that track!

Love the 1920s and all those 1920s giants aforementioned (Gershwin, Bechet, King Louis)!

Love your posts, Mr. Fields!

Don’t ever stop posting here, especially on account of some intended-to-be-mild-mannered ribbing and hectoring on my part – I fear I accidentally offended a long-ago poster from ever posting here again and I’ve always regretted it.  :(

Happy 64th birthday! :)

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I like When I’m 64 I just don’t think it fits in w Pepper, and is the weakest song on the album

I like Ob-la-di Ob-la-da

Honey Pie is ok I guess, bottom 3-4 song on the White Album

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Like maxwell’s but again it’s the weakest song on Abbey Road

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Well, put it this way:  Cole Porter and Gershwin are “granny music” in the perspective of the rock-&-roller with a chip on his shoulder. 

But this loose genre of “granny music” is a bit imprecise and sometimes causes more confusion than it sheds light.  Still, it would be useful and interesting to try to specify what it’s evoking.  One doesn’t want to be too loosey-goosey — nor too strictly limiting, either.

I wasn’t clear (as usual) but I’d meant “granny music” (as opposed to “shit”) as an affirmative. (Music is music, and I like it! And the names Gershwin and Porter aren’t absent from this rock-and-roller-and-more’s shelves – My Gershwin’s surrounded by Genesis and The Germs on the left, and Stan Getz and Girls Aloud on the right!)

In this context, the “granny” simply meant music recorded around the time when people’s grannies were young – specically in this case, American (or partly American-derived) popular music that extremely hip grannies-to-be ideally enjoyed, themselves. Cool Stuff they could kick up their heels to!

GEORGE: In fact, The Detroit Sound. JOHN: In fact, yes. GEORGE: In fact, yeah. Tamla-Motown artists are our favorites. The Miracles. JOHN: We like Marvin Gaye. GEORGE: The Impressions PAUL & GEORGE: Mary Wells. GEORGE: The Exciters. RINGO: Chuck Jackson. JOHN: To name but eighty. 

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Here’s one of the other ‘5th Beatles’……The ever cool Clapton and a Hoagy Carmichael father to son song from 1929.

 

Now if this isn’t a cover of old Granny music I don’t know what is! I’d like to think that John like Eric would have mellowed and learned to appreciate in time that some of Paul’s better ‘granny shit’ has value.

 

 

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Even though I’m aware of John calling some of Pauls compositions to be ‘Granny shit music’ I have to say that I don’t appreciate that. Still, I understand what John was saying. I like the majority of the music Paul has recorded, but with some of his stuff in the 70s and 80s I feel like he was a bit mad with power, or at least as mad as he could be. Consequently, he wrote quite a bit of personal music. He did it in the Beatles too, but to a lesser extent. I feel that he works best when he has other people to tell him, ‘well, yeah, we could do that, or we could try this…’

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I just saw a web article that called it “granny music shit” instead of “granny shit music”. Is “granny shit music” the official way John said it, or are the phrases interchangeable? What is the source for the official version (if there is one)?

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Here’s one of the other ‘5th Beatles’……The ever cool Clapton and a Hoagy Carmichael father to son song from 1929.

 I would never recognize Clapton as a 5th Beatle. Sure he was on 1 famous a-hard-days-night-george-10 Beatles song, but so have sooooo many other musicians!

Heck, Billy Preston even played live with them on the Rooftop, let alone quite a few songs on the Let It Be LP. apple01 

Probably on a few of Paul’s “granny shit songs” too.  a-hard-days-night-paul-11

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Ahhh Girl said
I just saw a web article that called it “granny music shit” instead of “granny shit music”. Is “granny shit music” the official way John said it, or are the phrases interchangeable? What is the source for the official version (if there is one)?

Wiki writes as such

According to studio engineer Geoff Emerick, John Lennon “openly and vocally detested” the song, calling it Paul’s “granny music shit”.

citing page 246 of Emerick and Howard Massey’s book ‘Here, There And Everywhere : My Life Recording the Music of The Beatles’.

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a-hard-days-night-ringo-7 I wonder how the phrase got turned around then…to the point that the turned around phrase is the title of this thread. Should we amend the thread title?

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I’m not so sure it has been turned around, @Ahhh Girl, other than by Emerick.

I believe it is a quote from a John interview, maybe the full 1970 Rolling Stone interview? Not sure. (I really should make myself a reference list for where the big quotes come from!)

If you take a look @Joe’s article on Ob-La-Di, Ob-La-Da , he includes the following line:

[John] described the song as “Paul’s granny shit”.

Which would suggest his reference is not Emerick.

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‘Paul’s Granny Shit Music’ …

 

are the reason I prefer Lennon. I totally love songs like Helter Skelter , Blackbird , Back In The USSR , I’m Looking Through You , Let it Be,  I’m Down and so on but I totally dislike many of his cheesy grandma songs, sorry :/

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I really love Paul’s Granny music! My favorites have to be “Honey Pie ” and “You Gave Me The Answer”

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I see a lot of members here bag on Your Mother Should Know , but I love that one. 

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Yeah, I like Your Mother Should Know too.  What walter raleigh notices I think reflects a larger phenomenon: most of the Beatles fans here tend to like harder rock (I can tell from their choices of music outside the Beatles) and so, the harder your rock tastes, the less inclined you would be to appreciate the “granny shit music” Paul liked to dabble in.  Paul himself was, I think, the most eclectic of all four of the Fab.

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I think it’s funny that so many people have such a problem with Paul’s so-called Granny music. Many of those tunes are the most musically complex songs the Beatles put out. They’re a clear testimony of Paul’s abilities, and I personally love them. I sometimes wonder if people dislike those ditties because they actually can’t appreciate that kind of music, or because John voiced his disrespect for them (which quite likely had more to do with jealousy than anything else, since he grew up listening to Tin Pan Alley too).

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Yeah, I like Your Mother Should Know too.  What walter raleigh notices I think reflects a larger phenomenon: most of the Beatles fans here tend to like harder rock (I can tell from their choices of music outside the Beatles) and so, the harder your rock tastes, the less inclined you would be to appreciate the “granny shit music” Paul liked to dabble in.  Paul himself was, I think, the most eclectic of all four of the Fab.  

I’ve noticed that too.  I tend to like softer rock, along the lines of Cold Spring Harbor, which explains why I like Paul’s granny music, especially those two songs.  

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