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6 August 2013
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fabfouremily said

Paul has always been capable of visualising what he wanted to do with his set of lyrics, whereas John had some brilliant words but often no direction to take them in. So, he seeked other people's help to direct him.

Agreed. I think Paul's and John's weaknesses (with lyrics and music respectively) are interestingly similar. John didn't have much patience for arrangement or studio work, and wanted to get things done quickly. In his own words to Paul during the LIB sessions, "I just don't hear the flutes playing, or whatever." So if he didn't already have some inspiration about how the music should go, he wouldn't bother sitting down and working something out. Similarly, according to John, if Paul got stuck on the lyrics, he would "avoid the problem" due to insecurity instead of working it out. Then again, I think Paul tends to be underrated as a lyricist, but when there is a problem, that's where it comes from, IMO.

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meanmistermustard said
Why would anyone turn their nose up at
Octopus's Garden, its a fabulous, fun song to play? Just listen to the harmonies in the background vocals for a start and then you have George's guitar solo. Same goes for Lovely Rita and Rocky Raccoon. I hate stuffy people who fling poo at certain Beatle songs for not taking 3 days to write and how the a minor chord goes to G sharp instead of F major in the treble chord and George's triangle is unnecessary.

 

I always love how you word things.

 

Yeah I'm not a real fan either then. Because OG is even in my top10 of Beatles songs and I love all of those songs mentioned. Nothing wrong with them and why would a fan turn their nose up at any of them? They may not be lyrical and musical masterpieces but they're fun songs, and are well constructed too.

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I really love Martha My Dear! (if it is a granny song; I'm just guessing granny poo music is a Beatles McCartney that's pretty calm and talks about random people) It's very jaunty and I love the different instrumentals to it.

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a-hard-days-night-ringo-8 I actually really enjoy all three of those songs, so...I  don't agree with John on this one. :P Teddy Boy, of course, didn't make it onto a Beatles album (and mmm would say luckily so a-hard-days-night-george-10)  I prefer Teddy Boy on McCartney anyway, Linda's backing vocals are really nice.

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You know what John means…….. Bit unfair though. Paul wrote/writes all types of songs. Songs that I dislike, others will love…..Some of them will be grannies.. And…..'Your Granny should know'

 

Some of Paul's songs are considered trite and forgettable, partly because John's glib criticism has stuck. Whether John's comments were tinged with jealousy as no restaurant violinist ever hovered over the lovestruck Lennon table playing, 'I'm The walrus' we'll never know.

 

Yet John, who claimed the artistic high ground for himself owed many debts to Paul's ideas for his songs…..Think intro' to 'Strawberry fields' think 'seagulls'  for 'Tomorrow Never Knows'. John, the intellectual managed to concoct memorable songs based on 'Three Blind Mice'…….'All You Need Is Love'….'Instant Karma' as examples. But somehow when John does it…... it's OK……… It's John …..'he's being deliberately minimalist……It's very clever really.'  

I'm a John fan…….. But it's typical John to put his rival down……….He does it to himself…'It's Only Love'…(a beautiful melody) he writes off as 'complete garbage' so why not Paul and 'The Beatles' as well…...But if anyone else like Jagger has a dig at the Beatles John leaps to his mates defence.

 

If John and Paul were sometimes, 'chalk and cheese' they could also be 'cheese and cheese' and 'chalk and chalk'

They had relative strengths which set them on different paths creatively but they could both be each other at a push……There was respect and jealousy in their friendship.

Bloody lucky for all of us really. 

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John was a producer. He produced Nilsson's Pussy Cats LP, Too Many Cooks by Mick Jagger and many of his own solo albums (Mind Games, Walls And Bridges, shared credit for POB, tho Spector was only there at the end) and there was probably more.

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I didn’t know that, Meanmrmustard –oops. I was just trying to figure out why Duke_of_Kirkcaldy wrote about John’slack of variety in production and/or arrangements”. But I confess that I know Paul’s solo career more than I know John’s (I only remember a few songs, like Starting Over, Mind Games, Instant Karma, etc.) Perhaps such lack of variety in production and arrangements is a topic open to discussion. And yes Mimi, the kind of music our parents listen to come out in the music we produce, and in some cases even the music we listen to.

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Though it could be said he did that album with Kisses On The Bottom, just selected different writers.

And, remember, Rod did the American Songwriters series because he gave up songwriting, something Paul has never done.

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American Songbook has one Cole Porter song (Ev’ry Time We Say Goodbye), but, sadly, Kisses On The Bottom has none!

It would be a true joy to hear a “duet” with Sir Paul accompanying a vintage recording of a Cole Porter song. Applying the “Free As A Bird” treatment, with building harmony and instrumental texture around the original arrangement, could turn out to be either brilliant or disastrous…depending on the producer and how many cooks are in the kitchen.

 

My choice would be 1929’s What Is This Thing Called Love (YouTube link, below) as a romantic natural for Paul’s “Granny ****“ style… or one of Porter’s more clever wordplay songs: You’re the Top, Anything Goes, Let’s Do It (Let’s Fall in Love).

 

I’m sure this will never happen, but I really can hear it in my mind’s ear…

 

The gongs (or cymbals?) in the intro even offer some air space for Ringo to wiggle a tambourine, clank a cowbell, or shake maracas:

 

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