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Paul's Granny Shit Music
6 August 2013
10.53pm
acmac
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fabfouremily said

Paul has always been capable of visualising what he wanted to do with his set of lyrics, whereas John had some brilliant words but often no direction to take them in. So, he seeked other people's help to direct him.

Agreed. I think Paul's and John's weaknesses (with lyrics and music respectively) are interestingly similar. John didn't have much patience for arrangement or studio work, and wanted to get things done quickly. In his own words to Paul during the LIB sessions, "I just don't hear the flutes playing, or whatever." So if he didn't already have some inspiration about how the music should go, he wouldn't bother sitting down and working something out. Similarly, according to John, if Paul got stuck on the lyrics, he would "avoid the problem" due to insecurity instead of working it out. Then again, I think Paul tends to be underrated as a lyricist, but when there is a problem, that's where it comes from, IMO.

7 August 2013
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thesnazz
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Granny shit music?
I don get it?

And i hope "THE BEATLES BIBLE" doesnt become anther
second rate beatle site by letting direspectful language be
posted. Certain words should be filtered or deleted by a program
or by site moderators

A true Beatles wouldnt post a question in this manner just o get attention,
Just common sence.

Thank you
THE SNAZZ apple01

7 August 2013
12.28am
Linde
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meanmistermustard said
Why would anyone turn their nose up at Octopus's Garden, its a fabulous, fun song to play? Just listen to the harmonies in the background vocals for a start and then you have George's guitar solo. Same goes for Lovely Rita and Rocky Raccoon. I hate stuffy people who fling poo at certain Beatle songs for not taking 3 days to write and how the a minor chord goes to G sharp instead of F major in the treble chord and George's triangle is unnecessary.

 

I always love how you word things.

 

Yeah I'm not a real fan either then. Because OG is even in my top10 of Beatles songs and I love all of those songs mentioned. Nothing wrong with them and why would a fan turn their nose up at any of them? They may not be lyrical and musical masterpieces but they're fun songs, and are well constructed too.

7 August 2013
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meanmistermustard
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thesnazz said
Granny shit music?
I don get it?

And i hope "THE BEATLES BIBLE" doesnt become anther
second rate beatle site by letting direspectful language be
posted. Certain words should be filtered or deleted by a program
or by site moderators

A true Beatles wouldnt post a question in this manner just o get attention,
Just common sence.

Thank you
THE SNAZZ apple01

I get what you are saying and thankfully this forum isn't filled with bad language all the time (occasionally some is uttered (including by me) but folks here are 99% clean tongued) but Granny Shit is a John term for some of Pauls tracks like Ob-La-Di… so its not about getting attention but is using a phrase attributed to a Beatle to address such topic.

"Well, probably we'll sell less records, less people'll go to see the film, we'll write less songs, and we'll all die of failure" (John Lennon 8/64)
9 August 2013
11.42pm
Duke_of_Kirkcaldy
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fabfouremily said

I agree with you. Paul has always been capable of visualising what he wanted to do with his set of lyrics, whereas John had some brilliant words but often no direction to take them in. So, he seeked other people's help to direct him. This is apparent in the examples that you give. However, I don't really see how that affects the capability and talent they had as individual songwriters, but as artists, in general. Is that clear?

Yes, that's clear.  Still, the lack of variety in production and/or arrangements is why I remain frustratingly underwhelmed with a good deal of John's solo work.  ahdn_paul_01

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