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Paul v.s. George on Lead Guitar
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Does anyone know who played what on She Came In Through The Bathroom Window? Paul AND George are credited with lead, so at first I thought maybe Paul did the answering riffs in the verses and George did the other more jammy stuff. However I don't think those parts overlap at all, and they sound like they could be the same guitar track, sound wise.

Somehow, given how much Paul was dominating (especially on his own stuff), it would make me happy if those answering phrases are Georges. They really make the song

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@markburgle While not being able to be precise on who played what bit, I can help with the way it was recorded - which offers some direction as to who played what. Bathroom Window was recorded along with Polythene Pam beginning on the 25 July 1969 (the two songs being recorded as one track, rather than edited together later - so it's Polythene Pam/She Came In Through The Bathroom Window). On that day they recorded, over 39 takes, the basic track. That consisted of Paul on bass, George on lead, John on acoustic, Ringo on drums, with guide vocals from John and Paul where appropriate. The only survivors from this basic track were George's lead and John's acoustic.

There seems to have been a problem with Ringo's drumming (John complaining that it "sounds like Dave Clark!"). Before the day was out, drums, bass, and vocals would be replaced.

On the 26 July they made various overdubs, another lead vocal, acoustic and electric guitars, various bits of percussion including tambourine, and an electric and normal piano.

More vocals, percussion and guitar were added on 30 July, the day the first rough version of the medley was put together.

So, the basic lead guitar part is definitely George. Were I to guess, I would suggest that both may have overdubbed bits on 26, while Paul alone would have done the last bits he wanted on 30. That is just a guess though.

 

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If I remember correctly, wasn't George pissed off how on Taxman he spent ages trying to make the solo then Paul just came in and improvised the whole thing? Or am I just entering the realms of fantasy here? paul-mccartney

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I really don't think George would not have been able to do a guitar solo for Taxman no matter what Emmerick say's in his book.

He was pro Paul anyway. I think he was nice enough to let Paul do a little solo in one of his songs and he even said that Paul did a little Indian bit for him in Taxman

I would say that any guitar solo in a Beatles song that sounds complicated, George probably played it. That is how proficient he was on the guitar. 

 

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Inner Light said
I really don't think George would not have been able to do a guitar solo for
Taxman no matter what Emmerick say's in his book.

He was pro Paul anyway. I think he was nice enough to let Paul do a little solo in one of his songs and he even said that Paul did a little Indian bit for him in Taxman

I would say that any guitar solo in a Beatles song that sounds complicated, George probably played it. That is how proficient he was on the guitar. 

 

I'm fairly sure Lewisohn mentions the same thing as Emerick (I'm not sure though, anyone?). And I'm fairly sure George wouldn't have let Paul take the solo on his song, unless he really really couldn't nail it.

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LikeASir said

If I remember correctly, wasn't George pissed off how on Taxman he spent ages trying to make the solo then Paul just came in and improvised the whole thing? Or am I just entering the realms of fantasy here? paul-mccartney

I don't think that solo was improvised - it sounds too nicely composed to be a one-off. In fact, I've long believed that the backwards-guitar solo in "Tomorrow Never Knows" is actually assorted snippets from Paul's (George's??) earlier attempts at a "Taxman" solo.

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mja6758 said
@markburgle While not being able to be precise on who played what bit, I can help with the way it was recorded - which offers some direction as to who played what. Bathroom Window was recorded along with 
Polythene Pam beginning on the 25 July 1969 (the two songs being recorded as one track, rather than edited together later - so it's Polythene Pam/She Came In Through The Bathroom Window). On that day they recorded, over 39 takes, the basic track. That consisted of Paul on bass, George on lead, John on acoustic, Ringo on drums, with guide vocals from John and Paul where appropriate. The only survivors from this basic track were George's lead and John's acoustic.

There seems to have been a problem with Ringo's drumming (John complaining that it "sounds like Dave Clark!"). Before the day was out, drums, bass, and vocals would be replaced.

On the 26 July they made various overdubs, another lead vocal, acoustic and electric guitars, various bits of percussion including tambourine, and an electric and normal piano.

More vocals, percussion and guitar were added on 30 July, the day the first rough version of the medley was put together.

So, the basic lead guitar part is definitely George. Were I to guess, I would suggest that both may have overdubbed bits on 26, while Paul alone would have done the last bits he wanted on 30. That is just a guess though.

 

cheers for the input, my suspicion is that Paul did those answering riffs, they seem a bit perky/poppy for George at that point

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markburgle said
Does anyone know who played what on
She Came In Through The Bathroom Window? Paul AND George are credited with lead, so at first I thought maybe Paul did the answering riffs in the verses and George did the other more jammy stuff. However I don't think those parts overlap at all, and they sound like they could be the same guitar track, sound wise.

Somehow, given how much Paul was dominating (especially on his own stuff), it would make me happy if those answering phrases are Georges. They really make the song

Hey, I know on the anthology version at the end Paul is talking to someone either John or George about the guitar arrangement.  He mentions that he liked the nice bit like an oldie, one of them did. Check it out it might be the sequence you are talking about. A much slower version from the 3rd anthology believe disc 1. 

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markburgle said
Does anyone know who played what on
She Came In Through The Bathroom Window? Paul AND George are credited with lead, so at first I thought maybe Paul did the answering riffs in the verses and George did the other more jammy stuff. However I don't think those parts overlap at all, and they sound like they could be the same guitar track, sound wise.

Somehow, given how much Paul was dominating (especially on his own stuff), it would make me happy if those answering phrases are Georges. They really make the song

Hey, I know on the anthology version at the end Paul is talking to someone either John or George about the guitar arrangement.  He mentions that he liked the nice bit like an oldie, one of them did. Check it out it might be the sequence you are talking about. A much slower version from the 3rd anthology believe disc 1. 

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Inner Light said
I agree with the commercial aspect of McCartney's songs. He definitely wrote songs that would fit that genre. Harrison and Lennon wrote songs they wanted to write and weren't focused on whether or not they would become hits or not. An artist needs to express their thoughts and feelings when writing compositions. I know in the beginning, they had a formula they used which turned out a lot of hits but as time progressed, the songs became more sophisticated and everything changed on how they wrote. They wrote for themselves and not just trying to pump out a hit song. McCartney has always been the showman of the Beatles and of course Ringo has become more of a showman over the years also. A talent is in the eyes of the beholder. Personally, I will take an artist that writes and speaks from their heart over anyone who just writes songs to sell it and play the game of commercialism.

I think it's pretty harsh to say Paul doesn't write from his heart and just tries to pump out hits and play the game of commercialism.

I'll agree that George's music was more consistent, and much more tightly centered around the things most important to him -- and I totally get why many people would find that more appealing in an artist! But Paul has surely written just as many, just as meaningful, songs from the heart. Songs that resonate deeply with the hearts of his fans. Those hearts may be a different shape than yours, but that doesn't mean they ain't there.

The main difference I think is that Paul doesn't use music to express "important" things exclusively. He uses music for everything. It's his escape, his distraction, his addiction, medicine, pet, anchor, toy, teacher, friend, and hairbrush. A very necessary channel for his excess energy. Appetizer, entree, and dessert. I don't think he can help himself. I don't think he would if he could. He is probably a little bit crazy. One day he may snap and start walking around speaking in song. Sometimes he walks a fine line with that, as it is. He is frequently awkward and embarrassing. That doesn't cancel out his genius -- nor do his failures cancel out his triumphs. Breadth and depth are not mutually exclusive. 

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I'd like to resurrect this topic with an observation: we have recorded evidence of John. George, and Paul playing lead guitar, all at the same time -- The End. They take two bars each, Paul, then George, then John, the cycle repeats once. It's very obvious who is playing which two bars from their styles: Paul is jagged and driving, George is melodic with jumps, and John is grungy, rhythm-style.

I've read that the solos were improvised on the spot, that this the one time in the studio where John told Yoko to stay in the control room ("won't be a minute, luv"), and it's the last time, John, Paul, George, and Ringo were all in the studio playing instruments together.

I think it is true, that there were many times where George couldn't manage a solo for technical reasons, and he was practically humiliated when Paul just tore one off which was better than what he struggled with. I think George and John were excellent musicians, but Paul was a natural talent which appears very seldom. Paul was also the only real piano player in the group (though I wouldn't put him at Billy Preston level -- his drumming is just horrible however.) I'm not talking about the dudes as songwriters or singers, just their technical ability on their instruments. 

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Mostly agree Sir Hudd except I think his drumming's pretty good too…….As is his Recorder playing. He can get a tune out of anything Paul.

Whether Paul and George saw 'The End' as a competition I don't know……….But I have to give it to John……..He just gives a belligerent statement.

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Interesting ideas in this thread. I think the "problem" if there was one with George's solos is the very idea that there had to be a solo in every song at all. You've got a guy having trouble getting a word in for his songs and then he has to come up with some solo for a song he doesn't care about, and half his ideas get shot down anyway. They started changing who played what instrument around which helped a bit but they were still married to the idea that there has to be a solo at this point. The best example of this weakness surely is All You Need Is Love where the solo is just pointless. That fact was very effectively mocked by the Rutles song Love Life. So fine, if Paul can hear a solo, let him do it, why bother George with it, its just a chore to him at that point. Why else get Clapto to solo in While My Guitar Gently Weeps? Now that's a solo. Essentially its a songwriting problem, not an instrumentalist problem. Another example is the idiocy with the solos in Let It Be. Now I prefer the single version but the confusion with a bunch of other solos indicates the mindset stuck with the idea of a solo but not knowing which one actually works.

In conclusion, I don't think George had the kind of issue with it that some may think, he would have been happier if he just got more time for his songs. That was more of a challenge to him than a solo.

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