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The 'Paul is dead' myth
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Maccadamia is a community of persons and self-described intellectuals collectively engaged in researching and presenting misinformation in the perpetuation of a conspiracy theory that Paul McCartney died in 1966.

An appropriate title, don't you think?

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I love reading about all of the PID "clues", at least the "good" ones. It's amusing that it still persists to this day.

One day I was in a coffee shop discussing the "conspiracy" with some guy (who either believed it, or thought he was terribly clever). He showed me some of the clues (most of which I was familiar with at that point), and I told him he had it all wrong. Paul didn't die. Ringo died, was replaced with a doube, and Paul decided to take all the credit for it. He showed me the 1 ONE 1 X HE <> DIE "clue" with the "arrow" pointing to Paul. I pointed out that it's not really an arrow. It looks more like a diamond. And what do you put diamonds in? Rings - the trademark of Ringo. Plus Ringo's wax figure on the Sgt. Peppers cover looks like it's mourning somebody (another "clue" he had pointed out). Clearly Ringo tragically passed away and the band hired look-alike Billy Shears as their new drummer. They even went so far as to change the name of the band and clearly introduce their new drummer in the title track of that album. Before releasing it, though, they realized that they'd be crazy to give up releasing material as The Beatles, and Paul pitched the concept album idea at the last minute (creating a piece of rock n' roll history in the process), since they didn't have time to re-record the album. He then started the rumour that HE had died and was replaced because it kept his name in the papers - thus helping to pioneer viral marketing.

Later on I found out that others had tried to start a Ringo Is Dead conspiracy so I dropped it. a-hard-days-night-ringo-4

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4or5Magicians said
I love reading about all of the PID "clues", at least the "good" ones. It's amusing that it still persists to this day.

One day I was in a coffee shop discussing the "conspiracy" with some guy (who either believed it, or thought he was terribly clever). He showed me some of the clues (most of which I was familiar with at that point), and I told him he had it all wrong. Paul didn't die. Ringo died, was replaced with a doube, and Paul decided to take all the credit for it. He showed me the 1 ONE 1 X HE <> DIE "clue" with the "arrow" pointing to Paul. I pointed out that it's not really an arrow. It looks more like a diamond. And what do you put diamonds in? Rings - the trademark of Ringo. Plus Ringo's wax figure on the Sgt. Peppers cover looks like it's mourning somebody (another "clue" he had pointed out). Clearly Ringo tragically passed away and the band hired look-alike Billy Shears as their new drummer. They even went so far as to change the name of the band and clearly introduce their new drummer in the title track of that album. Before releasing it, though, they realized that they'd be crazy to give up releasing material as The Beatles, and Paul pitched the concept album idea at the last minute (creating a piece of rock n' roll history in the process), since they didn't have time to re-record the album. He then started the rumour that HE had died and was replaced because it kept his name in the papers - thus helping to pioneer viral marketing.

Later on I found out that others had tried to start a Ringo Is Dead conspiracy so I dropped it. a-hard-days-night-ringo-4

And John, George and everyone else involved went along with Paul's ego-trip of deceit just for the hell of it? ahdn_paul_01

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If I spoke prose you'd all find out, I don't know what I talk about.

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This isn't the answer I'm looking for as it is to support the Paul is dead theory, but it's an interesting explanation of why it might be that name that I found here: http://60if.proboards.com/thread/1938.

To sum it up...

Joe Ephgrave = Joseph Ephgrave = Jo s (eph) (Eph) grave =  J o (s) F F grave

If we assign each letter a number (a=1, b=2, etc) it is - 10 o' (S) 66 Grave

 

10 o' (S) 66 Grave = 10th of September '66 Grave

I don't think that's when the PID nuts said he died but it's an interesting idea...

 

I still however want to find out the real story behind Joe Ephgrave...

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My book has vanished. It had been stored in a box for years and a few months ago i unpacked the boxes and put them on shelves, its not there. Maybe i burned it.

Found it in a google search however, not sure if the pictures will load or not tho.

Anyway scavenged around the net and found a few things (apologies if any of this has been posted above), i'm not posting it as fact just that it is out there. There is so much rubbish out there, even links to Bible scripture and how that backs up Paul is dead. My head hurts.a-hard-days-night-ringo-14a-hard-days-night-ringo-13

 

From the swedish wiki

 

Joe Ephgrave purported to be an artist who designed The Beatles 'drum at the center on the front of Sgt. Pepper's Lonely Hearts Club Band -cover. The cover was designed by Peter Blake and Paul McCartney . Later it turned out that someone Joe Ephgrave never existed and why the Beatles claimed this is not known.

 

A forum thread supposedly with an answer, even posts pictures to back up the claim.

This site claims Joe was a circus artist: "the final touch was a drum head with a fictitious band logo painted by a circus artist named Joe Ephgrave".

 

If anyone wants to read it here is yet another theory book The Fifth Magician: The Great Beatles Impostor Theory

 

 

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meanmistermustard said

My book has vanished. It had been stored in a box for years and a few months ago i unpacked the boxes and put them on shelves, its not there. Maybe i burned it.

Found it in a google search however, not sure if the pictures will load or not tho.

Anyway scavenged around the net and found a few things (apologies if any of this has been posted above), i'm not posting it as fact just that it is out there. There is so much rubbish out there, even links to Bible scripture and how that backs up Paul is dead. My head hurts.a-hard-days-night-ringo-14a-hard-days-night-ringo-13

 

From the swedish wiki

 

Joe Ephgrave purported to be an artist who designed The Beatles 'drum at the center on the front of Sgt. Pepper's Lonely Hearts Club Band -cover. The cover was designed by Peter Blake and Paul McCartney . Later it turned out that someone Joe Ephgrave never existed and why the Beatles claimed this is not known.

 

A forum thread supposedly with an answer, even posts pictures to back up the claim.

This site claims Joe was a circus artist: "the final touch was a drum head with a fictitious band logo painted by a circus artist named Joe Ephgrave".

 

If anyone wants to read it here is yet another theory book The Fifth Magician: The Great Beatles Impostor Theory

 

I felt like it was designed by a Beatle for some reason.

It just hit me.... I think I know why they made up Joe... Who would be better to make a fake band logo for a fake band than a fake person? It fits into the whole idea Paul had for Pepper!

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That's madness. I'd never heard of Joe Ephgrave before. I wonder how these rumours take hold.

I have a book about Robert Fraser which has quite a bit of info on the Sgt Pepper design, including interviews with Peter Blake and Jann Haworth. JH says the following, though doesn't mention who actually painted the drum skins:

"The part that's very much my own was that I always hated lettering on things. I loved the idea that lettering could be an integral part, and I was into fairground lettering at the time. So I thought it would be nice to have a real object with lettering on it, instead of lettering the cover. So I thought about the drum, then about the civic lettering that was around at that time. We pointed out to Paul the Hammersmith lettering: You could do it like that."

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