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Our "cute Beatle" not really so cute in Vancouver.
15 January 2013
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Enough said, already, about Macca The Evil !

 I wasn't out to set the forum on fire, just to contribute a challenging point of view, to see where you all would go with it. Now we see. From where I sit, it looks like other contributors set their own hair on fire.  There's only one Me....and about a dozen You's going on here. 

It just shows the power of the written word. Which is what I dig so much about my career in journalism. Knowledge = Power. 

I have the power. "Made you look. Made you stare. Made you & etc.etc, Ha ha!"

The lesson, Brothers & Sisters: Calm-the-***k-Down!

 

15 January 2013
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Will T. said
Enough said, already, about Macca The Evil !

 I wasn't out to set the forum on fire, just to contribute a challenging point of view, to see where you all would go with it. Now we see. From where I sit, it looks like other contributors set their own hair on fire.  There's only one Me....and about a dozen You's going on here. 

It just shows the power of the written word. Which is what I dig so much about my career in journalism. Knowledge = Power. 

I have the power. "Made you look. Made you stare. Made you & etc.etc, Ha ha!"

The lesson, Brothers & Sisters: Calm-the-***k-Down!

You're giving yourself too much credit, I'm afraid. If you look back over the thread you'll see that you were met with nothing but balanced, civil and calm arguments.

 

SHUT UP - Paulie's talkin'
15 January 2013
4.41pm
Will T.
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Where, exactly, Ben, was I uncivil, unbalanced or in extremis? No,  it was you mostly who went ballistic. "Say goodnight Dan." 

Ben Ramon said

Will T. said
Enough said, already, about Macca The Evil !

 I wasn't out to set the forum on fire, just to contribute a challenging point of view, to see where you all would go with it. Now we see. From where I sit, it looks like other contributors set their own hair on fire.  There's only one Me....and about a dozen You's going on here. 

It just shows the power of the written word. Which is what I dig so much about my career in journalism. Knowledge = Power. 

I have the power. "Made you look. Made you stare. Made you & etc.etc, Ha ha!"

The lesson, Brothers & Sisters: Calm-the-***k-Down!

You're giving yourself too much credit, I'm afraid. If you look back over the thread you'll see that you were met with nothing but balanced, civil and calm arguments.

 

15 January 2013
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Will T. said
Where, exactly, Ben, was I uncivil, unbalanced or in extremis? No,  it was you mostly who went ballistic. "Say goodnight Dan." 

Ben Ramon said

Will T. said
Enough said, already, about Macca The Evil !

 I wasn't out to set the forum on fire, just to contribute a challenging point of view, to see where you all would go with it. Now we see. From where I sit, it looks like other contributors set their own hair on fire.  There's only one Me....and about a dozen You's going on here. 

It just shows the power of the written word. Which is what I dig so much about my career in journalism. Knowledge = Power. 

I have the power. "Made you look. Made you stare. Made you & etc.etc, Ha ha!"

The lesson, Brothers & Sisters: Calm-the-***k-Down!

You're giving yourself too much credit, I'm afraid. If you look back over the thread you'll see that you were met with nothing but balanced, civil and calm arguments.

 

Will T., I believe that Ben Ramon was trying to say that you did not unsettle the other contributors as much as you say you did. I'm fairly certain that he was pointing out that your posts were met with arguments that were, as he said 'balanced, civil, and calm'.

15 January 2013
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This thread doesnt come anywhere close to the few that have caught fire and burned for many days. Compared to those this wouldnt melt a marshmallow. 

Thankfully.

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15 January 2013
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I prefer honesty to hypocrisy -- I don't care if the person is a celebrity or not. 

The main thing about celebrities -- doesn't matter if they are actors, musicians, film directors, writers, artists:  If they are good at their craft, then they are good at producing their product which I, as a consumer, want to enjoy enough to pay money for it.  They are my employees -- they are OUR employees.  We don't pay John Lennon to preach about his fucking delusional utopian pacifism and West-hatred (of course, if you like that drivel, you might appreciate his extra-curricular activities); we don't pay McCartney to be a "nice guy" or to protect the Animal Kingdom; we don't pay George Harrison or Carlos Santana to lecture us about New Age peace & harmony and "higher consciousness"; we don't pay comedians like John Stewart for political science analysis (or at least we shouldn't).

I just want Art from an artist.  The rest is usually crap, because they're just ordinary humps with a subjective opinion like the rest of us.

 

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15 January 2013
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Will, for someone talking about being civil, you sure have dropped a lot of harsh words. You've given us your side of the story, and I can sympathize, but it seems like you're taking it out on us. If you don't like him, that's fine. However, don't accuse us of starting the fire. If we were really so uncivil, your account would have been terminated by now, wouldn't it have? Yes, we're going to get a little unruly when you come onto what is basically our turf and present a different point of view, but that's to be expected from any forum about anything. Think about that before you make your next post.

 

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15 January 2013
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I can see where Will T. is coming from. I may not share in his views, but he is certainly entitled to have and share them with us.

I have yet to see Paul in concert. However, many of you have and until now I have not heard any complaints. If all of the conditions Will T. mentioned are true, and it means that I can have an awesome experience like the rest of you had, then long live the conditions.

If the purpose of the thread was to let us know that Paul is a control freak who wants to make sure everything is perfect, then it's too late - we already knew that. Furthermore, I don't consider this to be a fansite where all we do is praise The Beatles thinking they can do no wrong. I personally don't defend their flaws just because I love them. I actually love them more because they were flawed...and in some cases, very flawed.

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15 January 2013
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So I'm wondering, if not for the camera brouhaha, would the concert experience have been just fine? 

Prohibiting cameras with detachable lenses is a pretty common terms-of-service kind of thing at concerts, something that you are agreeing to when you purchase the tickets.  It used to apply to ALL cameras, but cameras in phones effectively killed that.  The intent is to prevent "professional-level" photographs from being taken and then sold, which isn't exactly a Macca-exclusive issue, is it?

So was the friend unaware that a camera with a detachable lens might not make it through security?  Or was aware and decided that the $500 in tickets meant that the rules didn't apply?

Security at venues is not the responsibility of the artist, so how did this incident turn into Paul being a control freak?  Not that he isn't, but a security guy getting in your face -- and in this case, most likely with reason, however unreasonable the response -- is not something under Paul's control.

 

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16 January 2013
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Will T. said

Where, exactly, Ben, was I uncivil, unbalanced or in extremis? No,  it was you mostly who went ballistic. "Say goodnight Dan." 

I never implied you were being any of those things; please read what I said again. And although I'm speaking for myself, I hardly think that the manner in which I responded for your posts was "ballistic."

 

 

 

 

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16 January 2013
4.16am
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On Paul's "control" problem, I recall a scene in the movie Let It Be where he's apparently instructing Billy Preston a tad too much, and one can tell -- at least it seemed so to me -- that Billy was beginning to get a little fed up, though he kept it rather bottled up.

 

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16 January 2013
7.40am
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Will T. said
Well, linkjws said:

the Point of my complaint about the recent Macca concert is that my friend and I were treated like criminals, pushed and shoved, and told we had wasted our $500, because we were NOT entering with the camera. For Heaven's Sake, it's just a freakin' camera! How UPTIGHT does the Macca Roadshow have to be??? That was a really unpleasant experience - all on behalf of Control Freak Macca. Frankly, I think HE owes us an apology. What don't you understand about being pushed and shoved and told we were forfeiting our money, all because my friend happened to have a nice camera?

How would you feel, if it had been you?

linkjws said
I don't see the point to all of this.  I am sorry if his concert left you bitter about the man, but he is just a human.  All of The Beatles have had every aspect of their life endlessly put under the microscope, and as it turns out all of them were simply people; full of mistakes and imperfections like the rest of us.  Yes the man has an incredible talent.  Yes he was a Beatle.  But, he was just as flawed as Lennon, Harrison, or Starr. And sure he runs a tight, questionably dictator-like ship, but until I have met Paul on a personal level (which I most likely never will); I will continue to think he is just who I see him to be.  A little arrogant, a little flashy, but no doubt a good person.  

I have nothing nice to say and therefore will say nothing at all.

16 January 2013
3.41pm
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I don't think, Will, that your views were met with any lack of civility. You were met with civil disagreements over your opinion of McCartney, some agreement over some of McCartney's flaws, and questioning of what you were hoping to achieve You admit that your original post was intended to be inflammatory, to see what response you could get from us. I have already said what I think that response was. It was certainly did not consist of us setting our own hairs on fire.

Also, did you not say you received an e-mail before the concert saying "no flash cameras". If your friend's camera was as good as you make  it sound, it surely had a flash?

The biggest disappointment to me is that you, as a journalist, said in the post where you attempted to close this thread with, "I have the power. 'Made you look. Made you stare. Made you & etc.etc, Ha ha!'" You make yourself sound like the type of person who'd happily shout "Fire!" in a crowded just to see what happens. Living in a country where we have seen staggering abuses by journalists of the freedoms they perceive they have, abuses that have resulted in criminal charges, it is sad to see someone calling themself a journalist setting the bar so low for responsible comment.

However, Funny Paper, yours are by far the most objectionable comments I have found in this thread. I do not, have not, could never consider John, Paul, George and Ringo as my employees. Even were they my employees, what right would that give me over the expression of their views. Also, much of their music, together and apart, express their personal views. Revolution. Give Ireland Back to the Irish. My Sweet Lord. Happy Xmas (War Is Over). Pipes of Peace. Give Me Love (Give Me Peace on Earth). Give Peace a Chance. Ebony and Ivory. The Concert for Bangla-Desh. The Concert for Kampuchea. The "One-to-One" concert. Et al.

At worst you could see them as independent contractors, like plumbers, or electricians. The job of the artist, especially those who write their own words, is to reflect the world as they see and understand it, without any regard for their audience. There are lots of complaints on this site about how vacuous and empty so much modern music. That is because so much modern music is made by those selling what they think the market want, rather than what they believe.

You may not want to hear John talk about peace, Paul about animal rights, or George God-consciousness, but that is what produced so much of that good music we love.

Even if we were to go down the line of their being our employees, you have to admit that few of their employers have no interest in hearing what they have to say or believe beyond music.

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17 January 2013
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mja6758 said However, Funny Paper, yours are by far the most objectionable comments I have found in this thread. I do not, have not, could never consider John, Paul, George and Ringo as my employees. Even were they my employees, what right would that give me over the expression of their views.

Well, I never said I want to enforce my views on them.  I'm just describing what they are in the relationship.  If there were no money involved, it would be different.  But artists who make millions, and in addition are granted a rare platform of fame and often adoring credibility and authority for their opinions, seem to me to be abusing the relationship they have with us.  I don't believe in trying to limit their freedom to do that.  I just wish the public would be a little more savvy about it, and sneer and mock them appriopriately for it.  For me, by the way, this isn't a partisan thing politically: if a famous musician did the same for some political position I support, I'd feel the same.  I suppose I have a peculiar point of view on the Famous Artist/Fan relationship: I think of them as our jesters, and we the common people as their kings being entertained.  The irony is that they are kings in terms of wealth, fame and influence, while we are for the most part relative paupers.

I don't believe in indulging this view quite as much as that ordinary guy did in the famous Dylan documentary "Don't Look Back" (filmed in England in 1969):  There was a scene where Dylan was in a hotel room with a bunch of hangers-on (a couple of them were famous, I think Donovan was there), and one guy who was just an ordinary bloke (and perhaps a bit inebriated) started going on a rant -- but I think he had a point -- saying to Dylan "I'm just a fucking nobody, but you're big special 'Bob Dylan', your opinion matters, mine doesn't..." etc.  The only thing I wonder is whether the words of that guy sank in to Dylan's mind; because they expose a fundamental hypocrisy about him pretending to be against hypocrisy and power, while he's indulging his status as a person given his fame by his surrounding society.  Like I said, I'm not quite as angry as that guy in that documentary; but I remain deeply unimpressed by celebrities -- and all the more so when they pretend to be "above" celebrity.

 

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17 January 2013
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FWIW when I saw McCartney a couple of years ago in Cardiff nobody stopped anyone bringing SLRs into the stadium. I think it's more to do with venue policy than artist specifications. I may be wrong, but I can't imagine McCartney being that uptight over cameras nowadays. He seems happy to let people have what they want.

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19 January 2013
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Listen, Will.T.  You really need to pipe down.  I don't understand why this has not been deleted yet, because you are obviously a troll.  Did you read the rules?  You are a total hater.  Why are you even here?  I was at that show and it was absolutely amazing.  We didn't bother trying to bring a camera because we didn't want to risk it.  If you were more intelligent you would have done some investigating before the show.  Security was tight you say?  Then how did I sneak in two joints?  Don't spew your hate on here just because you had a hard time getting in.  Like somebody already said, that is not Paul's fault.  I haven't even read all of your responses because they are ridiculously overdone dribble.  You have way to much time on your hands.  Please do us all a favour, and Sod off.  :)

Make sure to respond in your typical journalist fashion, with lots of bold, italics, quotations, bullet-points, and extremely long and overdone.

"Please don't bring your banjo back, I know where it's been..  I wasn't hardly gone a day, when it became the scene..  Banjos!  Banjos!  All the time, I can't forget that tune..  and if I ever see another banjo, I'm going out and buy a big balloon!"

 

19 January 2013
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RULE #4:  Don't be a troll. If you think The Beatles suck, please don't bother letting us know.

"Please don't bring your banjo back, I know where it's been..  I wasn't hardly gone a day, when it became the scene..  Banjos!  Banjos!  All the time, I can't forget that tune..  and if I ever see another banjo, I'm going out and buy a big balloon!"

 

19 January 2013
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LongHairedLady said
RULE #4:  Don't be a troll. If you think The Beatles suck, please don't bother letting us know.

Well, I appreciate that this site allows for differences of opinion and even some of my rather harsh jabs at certain Beatles now and then have been permitted.  But I agree this Will T. guy was way too histrionic and palpably hysterical.  Classic case of shooting himself in the foot.

 

 

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20 January 2013
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a-hard-days-night-ringo-6Is it over?

 

Good thing, we can't have that here, now can we?

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Reading this thread 11 months later, two things strike me:

1.  Will's absence thereafter tells its own story; and

2.  Given the vast amount of italics, bold, and bold italics in his posts, I hate to think about the standard of his "journalism".

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