The Beatles Bible - Topic: Lennon's snide mockery of Paul's RAM cover

parlance on Lennon's snide mockery of Paul's RAM cover

Thu, 27 Dec 2012 13:32:00 +0000

DrBeatle said
although if 1 of them came closest to doing so, it was George and how he felt toward Paul throughout the rest of his life

Can you elaborate on this? I wasn't aware there was still such animosity towards the end.

parlance

Funny Paper on Lennon's snide mockery of Paul's RAM cover

Thu, 20 Dec 2012 00:55:15 +0000

I've always thought Paul's "Dear Friend" (on the first Wings album Wild Life) was rather obviously, and poignantly, addressed to John.

P.S.: Speaking of that album, I just learned from Googling around, that the Swedish actress Hariette Andersson (oft-used by the great director Ingmar Bergman in the 60s and 70s, and she's still alive and kicking) did a short film in 2006 called Bip Bop Bip Bop Bap. Sounds like plagiarism to me...

Funny Paper on Lennon's snide mockery of Paul's RAM cover

Thu, 20 Dec 2012 00:51:29 +0000

DrBeatle said
Yeah, I'm the Greatest was a look back at The Beatles...it's definitely not a blatant swipe at anyone but I never took it as innocently as it seems at face value.

If you're referring to "I'm the Greatest" on the Ringo album, there's nothing in the lyrics to indicate that it's not simply a witty whimsical tribute to Ringo himself (and his alter ego superhero, Billy Shears).

DrBeatle on Lennon's snide mockery of Paul's RAM cover

Wed, 19 Dec 2012 17:55:16 +0000

That was a weird period for all of them. I don't think any of the 4 truly hated any of the others (although if 1 of them came closest to doing so, it was George and how he felt toward Paul throughout the rest of his life). But they were certainly angry at the entire situation and how it all ended.

meanmistermustard on Lennon's snide mockery of Paul's RAM cover

Wed, 19 Dec 2012 15:31:35 +0000

Paul was never as openly blunt as John was. Its one of the things thats been thrown at him over the years; he wouldnt say "i hate you" straight but instead get the message across in a more veiled way (not saying he hated John at all just using that term as an random example).

Ben Ramon on Lennon's snide mockery of Paul's RAM cover

Wed, 19 Dec 2012 15:23:20 +0000

meanmistermustard said
John and Paul both took swings at each other in interviews, letters and their music before agreeing to stop the public feud.

Paul definitely took swings at John in his music, but I've never really seen him openly criticise or slag John off in an interview or even in the famous Melody Maker feud of '71, where as far as I can remember Paul says some lukewarm but generally civil stuff and John's response is unnecessarily explosive.

EDIT: just found it here: http://www.beatlesinterviews.o.....atles.html

DrBeatle on Lennon's snide mockery of Paul's RAM cover

Wed, 19 Dec 2012 15:17:48 +0000

Yeah, I'm the Greatest was a look back at The Beatles...it's definitely not a blatant swipe at anyone but I never took it as innocently as it seems at face value.

John and Paul could both be dickheads and also great guys. For me, and I'm a huge John fan (although I'm a bigger Paul fan), even though Paul took digs at John on Ram ("you took your lucky break and broke it in two," "too many people preaching practices," "we believe we can't be wrong," etc) they were as personal or vicious as How Do You Sleep?, in my opinion ("the ...

meanmistermustard on Lennon's snide mockery of Paul's RAM cover

Wed, 19 Dec 2012 14:46:15 +0000

Yet John gets more of the bad press mainly because How Do You Sleep? is more well known and so in your face, the 1970 Playboy Interview where he mouths off and his reputation. Paul did it a bit more subtly and is usually said to be the nice guy to Johns bad ass - which is complete bollocks.

Wasnt Im The Greatest a John thing about his time in the beatles, a bit of fun. He wrote it after watching a Hard Days Night on TV one christmas but knew if he sang it he would get slated for being ...

DrBeatle on Lennon's snide mockery of Paul's RAM cover

Wed, 19 Dec 2012 14:07:09 +0000

^Yes, that picture was a swipe at the others. Plus you had Too Many People, 3 Legs, Smile Away on Ram and How Do You Sleep? and Crippled Inside on Imagine. Plus George's Run of the Mill, Isn't It a Pity? and Wah-Wah, and Ringo's Early 1970 and I'm the Greatest. A lot of swipes at each other amongst the 4, most directed at Paul.

The irony is, John treated George much worse than Paul did, yet George hated Paul and worshipped John (until the late 1970s when they became estranged).

meanmistermustard on Lennon's snide mockery of Paul's RAM cover

Wed, 19 Dec 2012 13:10:53 +0000

They were both at it. Isnt there a photo of 1 beetle screwing another on a Paul album, if that wasnt a go at John (and probably George and Ringo)...

It was on Ram

John and Paul both took swings at each other in interviews, letters and their music before agreeing to stop the public feud.

SatanHimself on Lennon's snide mockery of Paul's RAM cover

Wed, 19 Dec 2012 02:22:04 +0000

It's a side of Lennon that I have always found distasteful. Especially considering that an album as great as 'Imagine' had to include "How Do You Sleep?", which is pretty much the nastiest and most vile song in Lennon's catalogue. Even Ringo had to say "That's enough, John".

Into the Sky with Diamonds on Lennon's snide mockery of Paul's RAM cover

Wed, 19 Dec 2012 01:51:07 +0000

Funny Paper, I think you can find it in Rolling Stone magazine.

Thewordislove94, alas this was not the healthy competition of the Beatle years; this was Lennon making fun of McCartney.

thewordislove94 on Lennon's snide mockery of Paul's RAM cover

Wed, 19 Dec 2012 01:41:57 +0000

They were just competing with each other. They did the same thing when they were in the Beatles, and the tension between them after the breakup escalated it. Think about all of the songs that wouldn't exist without this competiton (during and after the Beatles).

Long John Silver on Lennon's snide mockery of Paul's RAM cover

Tue, 18 Dec 2012 23:09:26 +0000

Not really sure what is the point of topic? I mean what we can discuss here?

Funny Paper on Lennon's snide mockery of Paul's RAM cover

Tue, 18 Dec 2012 18:18:30 +0000

I've been looking for this for like 30 years -- I finally realized belatedly I could find it on Google Images: it's John mocking Paul's Ram cover.

I remember in the early 70s being in a record store, where the owner had tacked it up on the wall. I chortled out loud in glee at the wicked cheek of John, dressed up in a schoolboy's sweater and collar, smiling and grappling a farmyard pig (an obvious tilt at Paul and his ram), and asked him where he got it from (I was not enough of a fan of Lennon's solo career ...