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Lennon's snide mockery of Paul's RAM cover
18 December 2012
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I've been looking for this for like 30 years -- I finally realized belatedly I could find it on Google Images:  it's John mocking Paul's Ram cover. 

I remember in the early 70s being in a record store, where the owner had tacked it up on the wall.  I chortled out loud in glee at the wicked cheek of John, dressed up in a schoolboy's sweater and collar, smiling and grappling a farmyard pig (an obvious tilt at Paul and his ram), and asked him where he got it from (I was not enough of a fan of Lennon's solo career -- as I was of Paul's -- to buy his albums).  The store clerk told me that it was a separate photo that came inside Lennon's 1971 Imagine album.  I pleaded with him to sell it to me but, alas, he said no...


 

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18 December 2012
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Not really sure what is the point of topic? I mean what we can discuss here?

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19 December 2012
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They were just competing with each other. They did the same thing when they were in the Beatles, and the tension between them after the breakup escalated it. Think about all of the songs that wouldn't exist without this competiton (during and after the Beatles).

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19 December 2012
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Funny Paper, I think you can find it in Rolling Stone magazine.

Thewordislove94, alas this was not the healthy competition of the Beatle years; this was Lennon making fun of McCartney.

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It's a side of Lennon that I have always found distasteful.  Especially considering that an album as great as 'Imagine' had to include "How Do You Sleep?", which is pretty much the nastiest and most vile song in Lennon's catalogue.  Even Ringo had to say "That's enough, John".

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19 December 2012
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They were both at it. Isnt there a photo of 1 beetle screwing another on a Paul album, if that wasnt a go at John (and probably George and Ringo)...

It was on Ram

 

John and Paul both took swings at each other in interviews, letters and their music before agreeing to stop the public feud.

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19 December 2012
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^Yes, that picture was a swipe at the others. Plus you had Too Many People, 3 Legs, Smile Away on Ram and How Do You Sleep? and Crippled Inside on Imagine. Plus George's Run of the Mill, Isn't It a Pity? and Wah-Wah, and Ringo's Early 1970 and I'm the Greatest. A lot of swipes at each other amongst the 4, most directed at Paul.

The irony is, John treated George much worse than Paul did, yet George hated Paul and worshipped John (until the late 1970s when they became estranged).

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19 December 2012
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Yet John gets more of the bad press mainly because How Do You Sleep? is more well known and so in your face, the 1970 Playboy Interview where he mouths off and his reputation. Paul did it a bit more subtly and is usually said to be the nice guy to Johns bad ass  - which is complete bollocks.

 

Wasnt Im The Greatest a John thing about his time in the beatles, a bit of fun. He wrote it after watching a Hard Days Night on TV one christmas but knew if he sang it he would get slated for being a big head but Ringo would get away with it. Never heard it was a swipe at anyone.

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19 December 2012
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Yeah, I'm the Greatest was a look back at The Beatles...it's definitely not a blatant swipe at anyone but I never took it as innocently as it seems at face value.

 

John and Paul could both be dickheads and also great guys. For me, and I'm a huge John fan (although I'm a bigger Paul fan), even though Paul took digs at John on Ram ("you took your lucky break and broke it in two," "too many people preaching practices," "we believe we can't be wrong," etc) they were as personal or vicious as How Do You Sleep?, in my opinion ("the only thing you done is yesterday, and since then you're just another day," "the sound you make is muzak to my ears," "a pretty face may last a year or two,") or in Crippled Inside ("You can shine your shoes and wear a  suit, you can comb your hair and look quite cute, you can hide your face behind a smile, one thing you can't hide is when you're crippled inside") etc. That's just my take, but John's mild annoyance at Ram pales, IMO, to Paul's deep hurt over those two songs.

 

 

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19 December 2012
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meanmistermustard said
John and Paul both took swings at each other in interviews, letters and their music before agreeing to stop the public feud.

Paul definitely took swings at John in his music, but I've never really seen him openly criticise or slag John off in an interview or even in the famous Melody Maker feud of '71, where as far as I can remember Paul says some lukewarm but generally civil stuff and John's response is unnecessarily explosive.

EDIT: just found it here: http://www.beatlesinterviews.o.....atles.html

 

 

 

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Paul was never as openly blunt as John was. Its one of the things thats been thrown at him over the years; he wouldnt say "i hate you" straight but instead get the message across in a more veiled way (not saying he hated John at all just using that term as an random example).

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That was a weird period for all of them. I don't think any of the 4 truly hated any of the others (although if 1 of them came closest to doing so, it was George and how he felt toward Paul throughout the rest of his life). But they were certainly angry at the entire situation and how it all ended.

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DrBeatle said
Yeah, I'm the Greatest was a look back at The Beatles...it's definitely not a blatant swipe at anyone but I never took it as innocently as it seems at face value.

 

 
 

If you're referring to "I'm the Greatest" on the Ringo album, there's nothing in the lyrics to indicate that it's not simply a witty whimsical tribute to Ringo himself (and his alter ego superhero, Billy Shears).

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I've always thought Paul's "Dear Friend" (on the first Wings album Wild Life) was rather obviously, and poignantly, addressed to John.

P.S.: Speaking of that album, I just learned from Googling around, that the Swedish actress Hariette Andersson (oft-used by the great director Ingmar Bergman in the 60s and 70s, and she's still alive and kicking) did a short film in 2006 called Bip Bop Bip Bop Bap.  Sounds like plagiarism to me...a-hard-days-night-george-4

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DrBeatle said
although if 1 of them came closest to doing so, it was George and how he felt toward Paul throughout the rest of his life

Can you elaborate on this? I wasn't aware there was still such animosity towards the end.

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