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Is Paul becoming his own tribute band?
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21 September 2013
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I bought the 2009 set "Good Evening New York City" earlier today and was surprised by how many Beatles songs were on it.  When I saw Paul back in 1975 the 2 or 3 Beatles songs he did were jewels in the crown of a wonderful set list of Wings and other solo songs.  Now the solo tracks are in a minority and that got me wondering.  Later I saw this in a Daily Mail article:

"Now, with the wounds healed, his tour shows contain so many [Beatles songs] that his latest group has jokingly been referred to as the ‘Best Beatles Tribute Band in the World’."

I'm wondering, is it a joke, or is it now the way things are?
 
Don't get me wrong, I am on a major Paul kick at the moment, and maybe this is just the time in his life when he is looking back on the whole of his career.  I just hope that the "New" album gets its share of coverage in the shows he plays after its release.  I know it can be very hard for stars who have been around so long, they have a long shadow.  I saw Neil Young a few months back and he took a lot of stick for devoting around half of the time in his concert to his latest album.
 
Just wondering what others think about the songs Paul is choosing to play these days? (and like I said, don't get me wrong, if he comes down this way again I would be lining up to watch).
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21 September 2013
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I will confess pretty much the same view as you, trcanberra. Much as I love Paul, he does seem to have become largely a "Beatles jukebox". I might even go further, and say that it annoys me how little he experiments with his catalogue live. I have to admit that it's been a while since I last saw Paul live, but he sticks too closely to the original arrangements on the records. You know, it'd be nice to have him perform, say, something like the bluesier versions of Helter Skelter and Can't Buy Me Love.

It's one of the reasons I love someone like Dylan live. You may know every song in the set, though he regularly chucks in unexpected surprises (Bobby's version of the Stones Brown Sugar is an eye-opener, and it's lovely when he pulls out Something in tribute to his friend), you never know how he is going to play them. I wish Paul would do more of that.

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21 September 2013
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21 September 2013
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Gene Simmons of KISS once stated in an interview something to the effect that while there are a certain number of hardcore fans of the albums who would love to hear the "deeper cuts" and unappreciated gems, at the end of the day the majority of the concert audience for any "legacy" act is the casual fan who really just want to hear a collection of greatest hits.

So while it'd be great to hear Paul do more interesting solo material from the last 25 years, today's audience would be disappointed if he cut stuff like "Blackbird" and "Hello Goodbye" in favour of more recent stuff like "Young Boy" and "Jenny Wren".

And as much as I hate to use the term when it comes to any act I enjoy...  Paul now tours on the nostalgia circuit.  You'll get one or two obligatory songs from his most recent release, but after that it's mostly just the hits.

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21 September 2013
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mja6758 said
I think it's a trap that many performers allow themselves to fall into. There were plenty of years when Paul wasn't performing many Beatles songs and the audience were still turning up. It wasn't until he started including more Beatles songs in his set that people started expecting more Beatles songs in his sets. He willingly dug the hole for himself and jumped into it wholeheartedly.

Dylan is the only person who is in a similar position to McCartney so far as impact and importance in the '60s goes. Dylan's last concert was on 4 August this year. He played a 15 song, 90 minute set. This is how the set broke down as far as when the songs he performed dated from -1965 (3); 1967 (1); 1975 (2); 1983 (1 -unreleased till 1991); 1997 (1); 2000 (1); 2001 (2); 2009 (1); 2012 (3).

Bobheads are no less demanding, they just accept that Bob will play what Bob wants to play.

When I worked in the restaurant business a few years back, an old boss of mine told me the story of how he and his then-wife went to see Bob live in 1979, right after Dylan entered his "Christian" period and was strictly playing the Slow Train Coming tracks. The crowd began booing, and my boss asked a regular concert-goer of Bob's what was up. The guy replied "Bob does whatever the hell Bob wants to do." So yeah, your comment about Bob pretty much nails it. Bob came this way with Willie Nelson a couple of years ago, and had my wife not been heavily pregnant at the time, I might have gone to see it. 

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The gold standard, perhaps, of this phenomenon is James Taylor inevitably including an obligatory "Fire and Rain", his signature song of all time, in his sets even now.  He's even referred to this in a couple of song lyrics over the years:

From his song "Money Machine" --

It takes a strong hit from the money machine
Sitting on top, on top of the world
...

When I began the game
See me singing 'bout "fire and rain"
Let me just say it again
I've seen fives and I've seen tens!

Or his song "That's Why I'm Here" --

Oh, fortune and fame's such a curious game
Perfect strangers can call you by name
Pay good money to hear fire and rain
Again and again and again...

Nevertheless, each time JT sings that song, he taps into the original feeling of love and loss for his friend that is the core of the lyrics.  At his "Pull Over" concert in 2003, after he sang it, the reaction from the crowd was such an explosion of love and appreciation, he looked up startled and deeply touched.

 

 

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I wouldn't say that Beatles songs dominate his concerts.  I think he has a very healthy mix.  Sure he plays more Beatles, but that is to be expected. I LOVE Wings almost more than I love the Beatles (I definitely listen to them more), so if anything I would want to hear more Wings at his concerts...  but Paul is a people pleaser, and as an entertainer, he chooses to give the fans what the majority wants.  At his concerts, I can notice how many people don't even MOVE during Wings songs, while they are losing their shit during all of the Beatles songs.  I know a lot of fans like more than just Beatles, but a lot of people at the concert are more there for that.  A whole ton of people left to go to the bathroom during "My Valentine"...  so I really can't blame him for what he chooses to play.  He can't only please his hardcore fans that like his solo/Wings stuff.

If he only cared about himself and what most people want to hear, then he would play mostly his new stuff.  Example:  I saw The Smashing Pumpkins a few years back.  Their new album had just come out.  Billy would play about 5 new songs, followed by one old one.  He did this the entire concert, and it was a drag.  Then at the end of the concert he told us that he wasn't going to play "Disarm" which we all really wanted to hear.  A bunch of people (me included) started giving him the finger and calling him an asshole.  a-hard-days-night-paul-11

"Please don't bring your banjo back, I know where it's been..  I wasn't hardly gone a day, when it became the scene..  Banjos!  Banjos!  All the time, I can't forget that tune..  and if I ever see another banjo, I'm going out and buy a big balloon!"

 

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