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Has anyone ever seen paul mad (angry)?
24 December 2013
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acmac said
Me either. What mind-boggling selfishness and entitlement. 

You've reminded me of two more "Angry Paul" anecdotes:

Once, either while Linda was ill or shortly after she died, Paul chewed out an underling, who'd brought him a drink, for forgetting to bring a coaster for it. I believe several of his staff have mentioned that he could be a real bear during that time.

I mentioned in another thread a talk/Q&A Barry Miles gave and his anecdote about editing MYFN. He said that same thing. Like you wrote, I think others have said that, too, regarding how tremendously difficult it was for Paul during that time. As it would be for anybody, of course, but I think it was complicated in that case because from what I've heard is that Linda and Paul kept things very under wraps. 

I was a fan beginning in the 90's when Linda was still alive and the PR during that time was very much that she was doing well. It's only in recent years Paul's hinted at how bad it was and how serious it was from the start. I heard some gossip at the time that Linda was undergoing very intensive and grueling treatment but nothing was let on in public. Miles and a few other insiders didn't know specifics but just that it was bad, and IIRC Miles implied that it was very difficult for Paul because aside from the kids he was Linda's sole support. That she shied away from friends during that time because she wasn't comfortable being ill around them (not judging BTW, I'm the same way). But that meant it was difficult to work with Paul during that time, because he went to every doctor's visit, treatment and camped out in Linda's room during every hospital visit. So it was hard for Paul to fit in other business, time-wise, during Linda's intensive treatment schedule and when he did, he was distracted and snippy. It didn't help that Paul would get push back from sources like his record company. 

I remember hearing about the benefit concert for Montserrat. It was only a few hours of Paul's time because it took place in London and he didn't rehearse or anything because he just went on and sang one or two songs. But according to someone backstage Paul was in constant phone contact with Linda before and after going on stage. It made sense later when I read in Danny Fields' book that that night, a couple of Linda's friends were on the phone with her while Paul was at the concert, because she was very depressed and ill and she wanted Paul. Linda apparently rarely talked about her cancer with friends and took to phone calls and letters in her last few years and rarely saw people in person because she only felt comfortable being around Paul. 

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LOLOLOL I just remembered something; it isn't from an interview or anything, it was from some weird "Diary of a Rockstar" thing Paul did for some newspaper in the '90s, I think. Paul's daily entries were uncharacteristically surly, especially one day when someone apparently tells him that the Bee Gees have said they don't like his solo music and that he should try harder. Paul's response: "Tough shit, Bee Gees. I mean, I'm sure the Bee Gees are very nice and talented people, but they can still fuck off."

So, obviously this wasn't very nice of Paul, but I can't help it, I think it's hilarious. LOL. "Tough shit, Bee Gees" has become my go-to expression for any sort of "Oh well, too bad!" sentiment. I never say it out loud to anyone, I hasten to add. It's an inside joke with myself. :)

24 December 2013
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acmac said

Holloway said

I didn't feel sorry for those fans one bit. 

Me either. What mind-boggling selfishness and entitlement. 

I'm inclined to feel sorry for all parties involved. I would have erred on the side of caution, but that's me, and without knowing all the details it's hard for me to condemn them for taking advantage of a once-in-a-lifetime chance to meet their idol. We don't know how firmly the hotel stressed it was a bad time, for instance. Maybe the fans came away feeling they could cheer up Paul. And obviously they wouldn't have known *how* bad the news was. We don't know if the fans were gentle or pushy in their approach. And we don't know how badly Paul reamed them. At a time when he had more important things on his mind, he felt bad enough to send his assistant down to apologize, which I doubt would have happened if they'd been complete a-holes to Paul.

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24 December 2013
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Holloway said

Linda apparently rarely talked about her cancer with friends and took to phone calls and letters in her last few years and rarely saw people in person because she only felt comfortable being around Paul. 

That makes me sad. Not judging, just that it's sad to read. That's a huge burden to place on one person's shoulders, and it speaks to how isolating their lifestyle had become if she didn't feel she had friends she could trust with her condition.

acmac said

So, obviously this wasn't very nice of Paul, but I can't help it, I think it's hilarious. LOL. "Tough shit, Bee Gees" has become my go-to expression for any sort of "Oh well, too bad!" sentiment. I never say it out loud to anyone, I hasten to add. It's an inside joke with myself. :)

 

Ahahaha! I want to adopt that. If you ever find that series, please share!

parlance

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Check out my fan video for Paul's song "Appreciate" at YouTube and Vimeo.

24 December 2013
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acmac said
LOLOLOL I just remembered something; it isn't from an interview or anything, it was from some weird "Diary of a Rockstar" thing Paul did for some newspaper in the '90s, I think. Paul's daily entries were uncharacteristically surly, especially one day when someone apparently tells him that the Bee Gees have said they don't like his solo music and that he should try harder. Paul's response: "Tough shit, Bee Gees. I mean, I'm sure the Bee Gees are very nice and talented people, but they can still fuck off."

So, obviously this wasn't very nice of Paul, but I can't help it, I think it's hilarious. LOL. "Tough shit, Bee Gees" has become my go-to expression for any sort of "Oh well, too bad!" sentiment. I never say it out loud to anyone, I hasten to add. It's an inside joke with myself. :)

 

Hahaha ''Tough shit, Bee Gees''. I love that. Totally going to use that from now on :D

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You make good points above about the gift-bearing fans, Parlance. We don't know the particulars.

Also yes, that info Holloway posted about Linda's illness is very, very sad. I can understand Linda's feelings, though; it can be very difficult to deal with people when you're very ill (like, dying-ill). People don't know what to say, and treat you like glass, which is rough if you'd rather just take the treatment and otherwise have as normal a life as possible. Being constantly reminded of the illness by friends' awkwardness, having to cope with their distress in addition to your own problems -- it's exhausting. Besides that, there was the ever-present risk of her friends blabbing about personal details after she was gone. Not in a disrespectful way, but... still. 

parlance said

Ahahaha! I want to adopt that. If you ever find that series, please share!

parlance

I've looked for it a few times, to no avail. The whole thing is pretty funny. Like I said, Paul is surly in it, which I enjoy for some reason?

I do remember that the first entry starts out with something like this:

 

A week in the life of a rockstar. Why did I agree to do this? I don't particularly want people to know about my life. Oh well.

Today: Woke up. Took drugs.

No.

 

Haha!

24 December 2013
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parlance said:

I'm inclined to feel sorry for all parties involved. I would have erred on the side of caution, but that's me, and without knowing all the details it's hard for me to condemn them for taking advantage of a once-in-a-lifetime chance to meet their idol. 

The fans in question who were named in Sounes' book had met Paul before (and would meet him again years after that incident). He also didn't mention if John Hammel was sent down to apologize by Paul or if Hammel did it himself. 

Also yes, that info Holloway posted about Linda's illness is very, very sad. I can understand Linda's feelings, though; it can be very difficult to deal with people when you're very ill (like, dying-ill). People don't know what to say, and treat you like glass, which is rough if you'd rather just take the treatment and otherwise have as normal a life as possible. Being constantly reminded of the illness by friends' awkwardness, having to cope with their distress in addition to your own problems -- it's exhausting. Besides that, there was the ever-present risk of her friends blabbing about personal details after she was gone. Not in a disrespectful way, but… still. 

There was also the concern that people who knew of the situation would leak it to the press. It was also the pre-paparazzi age and Linda's looks obviously changed very much due to her illness and treatment and a couple of her friends said that made her self-conscious.

I also get the sense that maybe Linda was always the strong person in her friendships. In Fields' book, the night of the Montserrat concert when Linda told her friend on the phone that she was feeling down and having a bad night her friend panicked and handed the phone off to her partner (who'd been in Jimi Hendrix's band and was also a friend of Linda's). Not to disparage that friend in any way, but I kind of got the sense that maybe that's why Linda didn't confide in a lot of people, because they didn't know how to react if she did. Danny Fields said any time he tried to ask Linda how she was doing she would brush him off and it was only from Paul that Danny learned things weren't fine at all, but even then Paul wouldn't go into details. 

I think it's also in Danny's book about the opening of Linda's photography exhibit in New York. It was supposed to be Linda's first big event after she'd become ill and the first time a lot of her friends in NYC had seen her since she'd been diagnosed. But at the last moment the thought of dealing with everyone and them seeing her became overwhelming for her, so she ended up staying in the car and never came in. Paul stayed with her in the car and they ended up sending Mary in to be hostess. 

But it was just overall very sad, and the impression I got from seeing or reading the comments from many people is that Paul carried the burden himself. He's never been one to unburden himself to his friends anyway as he always had Linda as his confidante. However he obviously couldn't lean on her for support when she was the one who was ill. 

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25 December 2013
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parlance I found a source for your Bee Gees quote during a search. It was excerpted on an old Bee Gees forum which says the source is from the September 1993 issue of Q magazine.

"(Tuesday) (...)
French guy [apparently JONTY ADDERLEY] was good, bit of a student of the
catalogue. Said some nice things. He also said he'd recently done The Bee
Gees and said they said my collaborators since John didn't confront me
enough. Apparently The Bee Gees think no one can tell me what to do. Tough
shit, Bee Gees. Who gives a fuck what the Bee Gees think? Told the French
guy if people don't like me then ignore my records and don't come to my
shows and don't do interviews with me -- go and write about the Bee Gees,
who are very great and talented people (but they can still fuck off!).
Funny that Barry Gibb's sitting in his Miami penthouse discussing whether
I'm vertically challenged or not. Funny old world."

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25 December 2013
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Here is the whole thing if you want to read it. I find it very funny

 

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26 December 2013
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Thanks for those, Holloway and ladycat!

parlance

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30 December 2013
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Yeah, thanks Ladycat!

"Maybe I should have told them I'd been working on it for four months. In Tibet."

LOL. Grouchy Paul!

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acmac said
LOLOLOL I just remembered something; it isn't from an interview or anything, it was from some weird "Diary of a Rockstar" thing Paul did for some newspaper in the '90s, I think. Paul's daily entries were uncharacteristically surly, especially one day when someone apparently tells him that the Bee Gees have said they don't like his solo music and that he should try harder. Paul's response: "Tough shit, Bee Gees. I mean, I'm sure the Bee Gees are very nice and talented people, but they can still fuck off."

So, obviously this wasn't very nice of Paul, but I can't help it, I think it's hilarious. LOL. "Tough shit, Bee Gees" has become my go-to expression for any sort of "Oh well, too bad!" sentiment. I never say it out loud to anyone, I hasten to add. It's an inside joke with myself. :)

heck, I've always wanted to know his opinion on the movie they did with Peter Frampton, i always heard the Beatles themselves didn't take to it kindly, but i have yet to hear one of them comment on that 1978 film.

13 February 2014
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Funny you should mention bad films, because I was just going to report how film critic Gene Siskel claimed that Paul nearly threw a glass of orange juice at him in anger after Siskel called Broad Street "one of the worst pictures he'd ever seen." (It was during an interview and Paul asked Gene's honest opinion and apparently didn't like the answer!)

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I can think of two other anecdotes, both of which (I believe) were reported in Carlin's book.

During the period right after the Beatles' break-up, when Paul was holed up at his farm forever and living like a recluse, apparently some reporters came out to the farm and tried to get an interview and take some pictures. Macca threw a bucket of dirty water all over one of the guys and gave him an earful. He quickly realized what a bad PR move this was (especially since the photographer allegedly got some pictures of Macca "mid-rage"), so he chased the guys down as they were leaving and offered to give them an interview in exchange for the film. That interview became the article in "Life" magazine, "Paul is still with us."

The another episode that Carlin relates came when Macca was on tour with Wings, and it involved guitarist Jimmy McCulloch.

One night Jimmy walked off after "Band on the Run" and declared that he'd had enough and wasn't coming back for the encore. Paul sprinted after McCulloch, grabbed the little man by his lapels, and threw him up against dressing-room wall. Get on the fucking stage, you cunt! he snarled. "And he did," Paul recalled cheerfully. "And he played great!" (Carlin, p. 243)

It's hard for me to even envision Paul in that kind of worked-up state, because he is usually so cheerful and upbeat. But I guess everyone has their breaking point.

Not a bit like Cagney.
14 February 2014
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Von Bontee said
Funny you should mention bad films, because I was just going to report how film critic Gene Siskel claimed that Paul nearly threw a glass of orange juice at him in anger after Siskel called Broad Street "one of the worst pictures he'd ever seen." (It was during an interview and Paul asked Gene's honest opinion and apparently didn't like the answer!)

 

I've never heard this before! Siskel was one of my favorite critics. I had to look it up:

Siskel: Also, everyone that I talk to in all fields—music, TV, writing—they all want to make it in the movies. Writers get all gooey when their work is going to be made into a movie. I learned that from Paul McCartney when I was the first to tell him that Give My Regards to Broad Street was an awful picture. He asked me, “What did you think?” Meeting McCartney was very exciting for me, but I said, “Well, you never lied to us. I can’t lie to you. I thought it was terrible, everything about it.” He was shocked. He got very angry; he almost threw a glass of orange juice in my face. I said, “Is it true that the movies are the biggest thing, even for you?” He said, “Yeah.”

I didn't know he was the first to say it was a terrible film, given the avalanche of bad reviews that followed. Well, good for Siskel being unafraid to speak his mind despite his admiration for him. Glad Paul held back, can you imagine how that kind of behavior would have dogged him even to this day?

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Makes a nice change from critics who are so often two-faced; slating the film in reviews yet snuggle up to stars when interviewing them for the same film.

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