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Did Linda help or hurt McCartney's career?
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meanmistermustard said
Zig. Do you include the knitting reference as a tap and a wink towards John having Yoko sitting knitting on a Top of the Pops broadcast of
Instant Karma? If so kudos for the reference. If not well just ignore this.

I wish I could accept your kudos, but the knitting reference had nothing to do with J&Y. I could have said playing solitaire and the point would have been the same.

I do appreciate your giving me the benefit of the doubt though.mal-evans

It should be made clear that ITSWD is right that Paul's reputation took a hit back then (whether or not it was deserved). I believe his career survived that turmoil, however. 

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Can we all agree that 99.99999% of musicians would have loved to have had the career Paul McCartney had in the 70's - regardless of how many hits or setbacks we think he may have had.

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Kedame said, "My thinking, at this point, is who cares?"

I think you could say that about any historical period. Why care about anything in the past?

History is interesting because it explains the present. This discussion is relevant in the context of figuring out why people of a certain generation will say, "Paul was finished when the Beatles broke up" or "Paul obviously needed the other three to write any decent music." Since McCartney wrote a great deal of wonderful songs after the break-up, why would anyone say that?
Yes, people were initially angry at the Beatles breaking up, but that anger didn't carry through 20+ years!

Kedame also said, "I think the image of he and Linda on stage together now actually helps his career in the present."

I would agree with that. The public probably feels a little sorry for McCartney at this point and looks back at the Linda McCartney days with some nostalgia. ("Remember the days, honey, when he had the daft idea of putting his wife in the band and no one took him seriously for the next twenty years? Ah the good times....)

The Walrus said, "nor do the names of Lennon or Harrison. The public perception is that all three of them just fell apart when the Beatles broke up .."

True (at least for Lennon)....  A few years ago a musical appeared on Broadway called Lennon - a tribute to Lennon's post-Beatle days. It was excellent from every single point of view. Few people cared and it closed within a few weeks.

Beatlemania had played for years.

Robert said, "Can we all agree that 99.99999% of musicians would have loved to have had the career Paul McCartney had in the 70's – regardless of how many hits or setbacks we think he may have had."

Absolutely.

I think we can also agree that 99.99999% of musicians and performers would love to have the career or Britney Spears or Justin Bieber. However, that doesn't automatically translate to respect!

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I  think Linda was a MAJOR help in McCartney's career, she inspired "Maybe I'm Amazed" and countless other McCartney hits, not to mention her actual involvement in Wings.apple01

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PaulHalsey said, "she inspired "Maybe I'm Amazed" and countless other McCartney hits"

For sure. This relates to the question of whether McCartney would have ever gone back to song writing if not for Linda.

And there, McCartney has already answered that question for us: following Linda's passing, he was understandably despondent. Nevertheless, he pulled out of his funk and returned to writing solid material. Following the Heather Mills fiasco, he was again in a funk, and he again snapped out of it to write some of his best solo material. Therefore, it stands to reason that with or without Linda, McCartney would have gone back to writing excellent songs. That's just his modus operandi.

There's an oft-debated theory that artists produce their best work in response to tragedy; I don't think that would apply here, but certainly being down in the dumps would not necessarily have been detrimental to McCartney's productivity (see Chaos and Creation).

 

meanmistermustard said, "Does anyone know where to read articles from the time that were slating Pauls decision?"

Music magazines of the day? I was going to say Rolling Stone, but that's been a very pro-Lennon/Ono magazine from the start.

However, in this day and age, there are still millions of people over 55 who would have been Beatle fans from the start and who can directly give you their recollections.

I do wonder if there are geographical differences. The fact that McCartney had Linda sing a solo song while on tour in Great Britain suggests that she was better received there. I can only speak for New York and the surrounding area. (Ironically, Linda grew up and was educated in New York, so you'd think .... By the way, anyone know Linda's family name before her father changed it to Eastman? There's a certain irony there. Lennon knew it and poked fun at John Eastman during their arguments.)

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Into the Sky with Diamonds said

If you're listening to McCartney's '70s songs for the first time, and it's the 21st century, I suppose this falls into the "who cares?" category. You either like a given song or you don't; you don't really care who the woman singing is.

But if you're wondering why McCartney's reputation and popularity took a major nosedive from which it's never recovered, then it becomes a relevant issue.(Yes, fortunately for McCartney there are still millions of people who love him, buy his music, and go to his concerts, including yours truly.)

When McCartney chose to put Linda in his band, he was essentially saying, "I'm not even going to try to compete with my former band; and to prove it, I'm not bringing my A game to the table. My photographer wife is going to be the female voice on my records."

For many of his former fans, the reaction was, "well screw you too; see if we ever listen to any of your albums again." Then he writes "My Love," "Silly Love Songs" .... And a zillion Beatle fans have never given McCartney a chance since.

If you contrast that with Lennon, well yes, I'll take Linda over Yoko every day of the year, but as far as Lennon was concerned he WAS trying to bring his A game to the table in the form of Yoko..

And George was definitely bringing his A game - and was smart enough to leave his wife at home; which is why in the immediate aftermath of the break-up, George was the clear winner.

Granted, George basically blew his load with All Things Must Pass, as none of his subsequent albums even remotely approached its greatness.  a-hard-days-night-john-1  Despite the fact that it was John who first permanently wanted out of the group, I still think he benefitted the least from going solo.  I think his songwriting suffered a bit without having Paul's direct influence, and many of his solo songs are kind of on the simplistic side.  Surely this wasn't the same guy who wrote "Tomorrow Never Knows" or "Strawberry Fields Forever."  ahdn_paul_01  Even John Lennon/Plastic Ono Band and Imagine aren't all that impressive to me.  Over the past 10-15 years it seems to me that people have become more forgiving of Paul's back catalogue.  Pretty much all his reissued albums have gotten rave reviews so far (even McCartney II, which is practically a novelty album).  I suppose it may have helped that he's been stepping up his game on his albums since then as well.

 

So to answer the question, no, Linda did NOT hurt Paul's career -- particularly since, musically, she basically just did what he told her to do anyway.  a-hard-days-night-george-10

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Into the Sky with Diamonds said
PaulHalsey said, "she inspired "
Maybe I'm Amazed" and countless other McCartney hits"

For sure. This relates to the question of whether McCartney would have ever gone back to song writing if not for Linda.

And there, McCartney has already answered that question for us: following Linda's passing, he was understandably despondent. Nevertheless, he pulled out of his funk and returned to writing solid material. Following the Heather Mills fiasco, he was again in a funk, and he again snapped out of it to write some of his best solo material. Therefore, it stands to reason that with or without Linda, McCartney would have gone back to writing excellent songs. That's just his modus operandi.

There's an oft-debated theory that artists produce their best work in response to tragedy; I don't think that would apply here, but certainly being down in the dumps would not necessarily have been detrimental to McCartney's productivity (see Chaos and Creation).

There is a difference tho in 1970 and Linda jolting Paul to make music again and the other cases in '98 and 2006.

 

In 1970 The Beatles were everything to many and Paul thought he was going to get every piece of crap thrown at him when the news broke of him suing his 3 bandmates. Everything he knew and thought he was was tied up in being a Beatle and having the support of John, George and Ringo. In 1970 that was all gone, replaced with bitter arguements over so many things. There really was only Linda about to tell him to get his act together. Thankfully she didnt say lets become reclusive farmers with the kids and breed pigs but instead get your arse in the home studio and make music.

 

Transport ahead to '98. The Beatles are huge again and that has poured onto Paul who is adored by the public, the feeling of grief for his loss is massive and widespread. He has 4 very strong kids to help him thru and they support each other. Friends also pull close and put together a tribute concert for Linda amongst other things. Plus his music is popular and at a high for the first time since '82 and Tug Of War and has had a successful solo career for 28 years. A massive loss but music was the answer and provided a way thru the grief.

 

In 2006 Heather was hated by the press, most of the public and not very popular with some of his kids - to be honest their marriage was viewed as a mistake. Paul got all the support thru the seperation and Heather didnt do herself any favours by coming across as a deluded, lying, golddigger known disparagingly as Lady Mucca. His concerts were consistent sellouts and had a massive fanbase thru his beatle and solo works. Music was by that time inbuilt and an integral part of his life and he had gone thru the lose of a wife, the difference being Linda was the love of his life. Plus out of the marriage he had Beatrice. Keeping going was only natural.

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