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6.52pm
14 April 2010
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I don't know about "best" post-Beatles McCartney songs, but my favorites include…
Mull of Kintyre
Picasso's Last Words
Just about anything off of Flaming Pie.
To the fountain of perpetual mirth, Let it roll for all its worth.
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6.53pm
12 March 2010
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kedame said
Also, from around this time is the unreleased India:
God, I love Paul!
Just listening to it: GOOSEBUMPS!!
7.09pm
12 March 2010
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Zig said
I don't know about "best" post-Beatles McCartney songs, but my favorites include…Just about anything off of Flaming Pie.
I'm always happy when people mention stuff from AFTER 1979…
Flowers in the dirt, Off the ground (for many parts) Flaming pie, Driving rain (for many parts), Chaos and creation, Memory almost full – so many fantastic albums, plus the live albums (Unplugged!), plus Run devil run, plus Fireman, plus Kisses on the bottom…
That guy's a late bloomer, no doubt about that!
More people should keep that in mind when they call "Ram" his best album ever (it's still up there, imo) and tend to forget he made some nice albums afterwards…
9.12pm
14 April 2010
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Yeah, paulsbass – you were one of the ones who convinced me to give FP a try. You said it was one of his Beatle-iest albums.
I am so glad I took your advice and bought it. A fantastic album!
To the fountain of perpetual mirth, Let it roll for all its worth.
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10.20pm
19 September 2010
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I still haven't listened all the way through Flaming Pie – yet. I still need to get it on my IPod. As to the topic of SLS, I love it. When Linda sings "I Love You"… breathtaking.
10.39pm
1 May 2011
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I think one of the problems the media have is that for many years, and certainly in the Beatles, Paul was the polite press pleaser. He's happy to give interviews and play part of the game still but he doesnt stay in the preconceived areas that some want to be kept.
Silly Love Songs was Pauls response to criticism to My Love when it was released as a single, and all the other love songs he had written. As Kedame said it was more a sarcastic reply to all the comments of him only ever doing and releasing soft cosy nice songs and something that Paul has always had to live with, and has only been strengthened since Johns murder. However if you look back at the singles he's released a lot of actually quite lively; Hi, Hi, Hi and Live and Let Die bookend My Love.
Basically the idea that the majority of Paul's output is love/ballad songs is garbage if his complete discography is analysed fairly.
3.45am
10 August 2011
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kedame said most people continue to point out the dredge, as if that were all he wrote. They don't do that with John or George, or anyone else not related to The Beatles, at least not to the extent they do it to Paul. Ahhh, well. I've just learned to grit my teeth and move on.
Truth be told, the critics were pretty merciless with John and George too (after All Things Must Pass) + neither did particularly well commercially.
It was after he died, that John's star rose (death is usually a good career move).
For fun, check out the critics' reviews of the Beatle albums in their day. You might be surprised.
(The New York Times was devastating in its review of Abbey Road.)
4.26am
23 January 2011
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That's a good point! I hope Paul's career gets a reevaluation in the WAY distant future (because I don't want him to croak). As for now, I'll just happily listen to solo Paul. Although, I shouldn't complain too much because he has been getting really good reviews and awards lately. It's like he gets a new one every week. It's generally older Beatles fans who write him off (but not all of them!!).
3.54pm
14 April 2010
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I am reading a lot of posts in this thread that deal with what the media or "other people" or "most people" think. I have a hard time understanding what the obsession is with other people's thoughts.
If you like something, what the hell does it matter what others think? Whoever it was that said "ignorance is bliss" was almost right but not quite. It should have been, "ignoring is bliss". Our beloved Fabs are the perfect example. As Into the Sky with Diamonds has said many times, a lot of critics panned most of the Beatles albums when they were first released. And yet…
Most of the things I've read in this thread about "people" not liking Paul's slow stuff or saying he only writes sappy stuff was a surprise to me because I have never once read a review of his material. I simply like or dislike any song of his on its own merit based on my own tastes. I am like that with just about everything in my life. As a result, I am one of the happiest people I know. Ignoring is bliss!
So when kedame says, "I've just learned to grit my teeth and move on" - I say, "Don't grit your teeth. That only leads to expensive dental work. Just move on".
You will be happier…and not just because I said so.
To the fountain of perpetual mirth, Let it roll for all its worth.
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6.35pm
28 March 2012
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Zig--
You make a great point. I have a good friend who is a really fine drummer for a band. He really knows music, especially Motown and jazz. I was driving with him one day and he put in some pop stuff not in keeping with his other music--Justin Timberlake or Back Stree Boys, or something of the sort. I asked him in a kind of snarky way why in the world he'd be listening to that!? And his non-ironic very straight forward non-apologetic answer was: "Because I like it, and that's why anyone should listen to music. Because you, not anyone else, likes it." He wasn't a smartass. He was just being straight-forward. And wise.
However, I think the reason we DO care what other people think is because there are some objective elements of music. So music (and musical acts) aren't like objective mathematics, where there's an absolutely correct right answer. On the other hand, music isn't like, say, one's favorite color--a matter purely of personal taste with no right or wrong. I mean anyone who hears me play the piano knows, and knows objectively, that I'm not as good at piano as, say, Billy Preston (or Paul or John or George, for that matter, and likley Ringo!). That's not a subjective judgment. Mozart may not be your favorite composer, but there's just some objective truth behind the idea that he was a musical genius.
What's interesting about taste in music is it's a combination of both objectivity and subjectivty but the line between the two is blurred. On matters of purely subjective taste it's ridiculous to argue. I'd be crazy to tell you what your favorite color REALLY is. Or what your favorite color SHOULD be. On the other hand, on matters of objective truth, arguments are natural. And they're even more natural when some objectivity is blended with the need for judgment coupled with subjective taste.
8.49pm
1 May 2010
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I like a lot of post-Beatles McCartney songs but lately I'm playing this one a lot.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v…..1WAD1_jztg
It amazes me how this song is about some people ringing the bell.. and yet it's amazing. Maybe because it brings me beautiful memories of Up and Coming Tour concert and also, when I was a kid and my sister played a lot Wings at the Speed of Sound album.
Or just because the music is beautiful.
7.02am
23 January 2011
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Zig said
I am reading a lot of posts in this thread that deal with what the media or "other people" or "most people" think. I have a hard time understanding what the obsession is with other people's thoughts.If you like something, what the hell does it matter what others think? Whoever it was that said "ignorance is bliss" was almost right but not quite. It should have been, "ignoring is bliss". Our beloved Fabs are the perfect example. As Into the Sky with Diamonds has said many times, a lot of critics panned most of the Beatles albums when they were first released. And yet…
Most of the things I've read in this thread about "people" not liking Paul's slow stuff or saying he only writes sappy stuff was a surprise to me because I have never once read a review of his material. I simply like or dislike any song of his on its own merit based on my own tastes. I am like that with just about everything in my life. As a result, I am one of the happiest people I know. Ignoring is bliss!
So when kedame says, "I've just learned to grit my teeth and move on" - I say, "Don't grit your teeth. That only leads to expensive dental work. Just move on".
You will be happier…and not just because I said so.
Yes, yes, I know…I've figured out already that I'll be a lot happier by just ignoring what everyone else says, but I like reading reviews. I know I will only be disappointed by negative comments, but I just can't seem to help myself sometimes. It's like reading a news story and getting caught up in all the bitching in the comments. I just can't seem to back away sometimes. I've gotten less sensitive to it, though, because by now I've read enough reviews, read enough articles with others bashing Paul, and heard enough negativity from other fans that I've learned to try to let it go.
I don't really know how to explain it …in my mind, it's like some huge injustice that Paul gets written off like he has in the past. I'm just arrogant enough to believe that if I like something, everyone should like it. What can I say…it's a character flaw. If I go off another woe-is-McCartney again, just let me know.
11.12am
31 March 2012
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World tonight love that one
12.21pm
12 March 2010
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Zig said
I simply like or dislike any song of his on its own merit based on my own tastes. I am like that with just about everything in my life. As a result, I am one of the happiest people I know. Ignoring is bliss!
You DO know how many jobs depend on people NOT being satisfied with themselves and NOT being ignorant of what other people think about them and the stuff they like??
Do you want to kill the whole fashion business, make-up products, casting shows, diet-programms, shrinks, online forums, message boards…
Seriously, of course you're spot on, and everybody knows that you SHOULDN'T care about what people think about you and your likes and dislikes.
I'm like that a lot – which made me quite lonely for a large part of my life. Was I happier? Maybe…
Fact is: We DO care what people think of us, and we WANT other people to like what we like – because 1) it's just nice to share enthusiasm about something you think is great and 2) being on your own is nice, but belonging to a large group sharing the same opinion is even nicer! (for most people)
And being a "fan" of somebody or something means that you DO care about how he/it is recepted by other people.
That's just in the nature of the thing.
And I think it would be a lot easier to accept negative comments if they just refer to the same thing you like:
"Paul writes sappy ballads!" "Ok, but I LIKE his sappy ballads, so to everyone his own."
But that's NOT how it is with Paul.
Many fans – including me and kedame – get the feeling that there a lot of aspects about Paul that get ignored or underappreciated or misunderstood or overrated or whatever.
And that's hard to take!
"Pauls writes ONLY sappy ballads!" "Are you freaking kidding? Have you ever HEARD of Helter Skelter or Nod your head??"
"John was the cool and creative and innovative one, Paul was just nice and a bully." "Aaaaaaaaaaaah!!"
Thankfully nowadays Paul gets more and more appreciation and respect, that makes it easier to "relax" as a fan.
4.16am
23 October 2011
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Hear hear
5.25pm
10 August 2011
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Beatlenutbob said "World tonight love that one"
Agree!
I was going to say "under-appreciated" but essentially all of McCartney's post-Beatle songs, with an occasional exception here or there, fall into that category.
Zig said "If you like something, what the hell does it matter what others think? "
Alas, we are social animals. So it's nice to know that someone out there agrees with you!
Mithveaen, I was just listening to a Macca song that specifically refers to Mexico….
7.22pm
1 May 2010
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Really? which one?
7.39pm
10 August 2011
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"Back Seat of My Car" " … we may end up in Mexico City"
9.01pm
1 May 2010
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Ah Mexico City. LOL! I thought he was talking about the whole country. He should sing it in the Azteca stadium next May 8th.
I thought of this one. He improvised a song and sang "Shine the lights". It was fantastic. I can't wait to do it next May 8th. 
9.21pm
1 May 2010
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And just to stay in topic. I love Electric Arguments. I just love it.
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