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12.42pm
1 May 2011
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paulsbass said:
meanmistermustard said:
And Must Do Something About It is a good song but not a great song, Time To Hide is far superior in my opinion.
*cough*, well that's not MY opinion – it's YOUR'S!
I said it was my opinion.
I quote:
meanmistermustard said:
As for great non macca wings songs
Must Do Something About It
A little inconsistent, are we?
Paulbass, tastes change, songs rise and fall depending on where we are (bored, sad, happy, tired, thrilled etc), how life is going, and what we are currently in to. Sometimes we love a song and at other times we feel blazey towards it. I have always found Time To Hide and Must Do Something About It brilliant back to back (they segue effortlessly into each other on WATSOS, an album which i love) but on their own Time To Hide is, in my opinion, a far better song.
One of the reasons why i get shivers down my spine when thinking about Press To Play is that irritating "talk more talk, chat more chat" sequence. And the album isnt helped by having Spies Like Us as a bonus track, that song sucks more than the film. However Once Upon A Long Ago is a fabulous heavily underrated Paul song (the long version being another bonus track).
Another is that the album stinks from 100 feet away.
1.07pm
19 September 2010
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Look, if that turns out to be the case Paulsbass, I will gladly admit to being wrong. But it's just not to my liking. In the slightest. Oh well.
1.12pm
12 March 2010
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meanmistermustard said:
I said it was my opinion.
I know, I just pointed out that you called it a (quote) great (quote end) song and then on the very SAME day you said it was (quote) good, but not great (quote end).
One of the reasons why i get shivers down my spine when thinking about Press To Play is that irritating "talk more talk, chat more chat" sequence. And the album isnt helped by having Spies Like Us as a bonus track, that song sucks more than the film. However Once Upon A Long Ago is a fabulous heavily underrated Paul song (the long version being another bonus track).
Another is that the album stinks from 100 feet away.
I don't want to fight (again 
, we're all entitled to our opinions, and I can see how that song CAN get annoying or irritating at times.
I still like it (just listened to it).
I agree on Spies like us, not much to like about that one (movie as well). More famous for the Who-windmill Paul does in the video.
Nice to agree on OUALA!
Disagree on the stink. Just went through it, like some, love other songs. Even "Move over Busker" was ok this time.
No, this is not a bad album, even if you don't like it.
Peace!
1.52pm
10 August 2011
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To meanmistermustard, mr. sun king ct, paulsbass: see opening sentences of this thread.
It's truly remarkable!
McCartney obviously appeals to a spectacular range of tastes (as did the Beatles).
Personally, I never cared for Press to Play – except "Stranglehold," "Good Times Coming/Feel the Sun" (I love the musical arrangement at the end), and "Footprints" (beautifully haunting). But, hey, each to his own.
Nobody's commented on Paul's color sketches for each song on this album. I find it fascinating how involved he was (is) with the arrangement, production and instrumentation of his songs. I think this explains his ventures into classical music.
8.28pm
1 May 2011
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Paulbass, i called MDSAI a great song on the 13th January, i then called it a good song on the 3rd of February so hardly the same day.
And i didnt know i was in a fight.
12.15am
10 August 2011
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Hey, guys, how about smoking from the Pipes of Peace?
(Now there's a sub-par album IMHO…)
12.27am
23 January 2011
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"Into the Sky with Diamonds" said:
Hey, guys, how about smoking from the Pipes of Peace?
(Now there's a sub-par album IMHO…)
Even I'm not too crazy about Pipes of Peace. I don't even think I've listened to the whole thing all the way through. I do like the title song, but I think The Other Me is quite bad. Dustbin lid, anyone? Also, he and Michael Jackson just don't mesh for me.
As for Press to Play, I was fully expecting to hate it when I first listened to it, but I was surprised that I genuinely liked it. I love However Absurd, Footprints, Tough on a Tightrope, It's Not True (especially the version without all the production). The experimentation on the album is like a pre-Fireman treat. And I love me some Fireman. The only song on it that I don't like is Press, and like paulsbass said, even it is catchy. I just think it's a weird little song, and not in a good way.
2.15am
12 March 2010
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meanmistermustard said:
Paulbass, i called MDSAI a great song on the 13th January, i then called it a good song on the 3rd of February so hardly the same day.
And i didnt know i was in a fight.
Keep cool, dude! You're only in a fight if you want to.
Sorry I got the dates wrong, I didn't go back and check.
2.16am
12 March 2010
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"Into the Sky with Diamonds" said:
Hey, guys, how about smoking from the Pipes of Peace?
(Now there's a sub-par album IMHO…)
Couldn't agree more!
3.10am
19 September 2010
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Oh, god, I think the 80's might have been Paul's worst decade. McCartney 2, Pipes, Press, and limited touring. (Although, Tug of War is excellent.) Pipes is okay, the title track great, The Jackson duets I love (because Paul lets me tolerate MJ – not an easy feat), but the rest is rubbish. Well, Side two is… don't remember Side 1 all to well.
8.36am
12 March 2010
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mr. Sun king coming together said:
Oh, god, I think the 80's might have been Paul's worst decade. McCartney 2, Pipes, Press, and limited touring. (Although, Tug of War is excellent.) Pipes is okay, the title track great, The Jackson duets I love (because Paul lets me tolerate MJ – not an easy feat), but the rest is rubbish. Well, Side two is… don't remember Side 1 all to well.
Yeah, it's really surprising and a bit tragic (well, not THAT tragic) how Paul managed to almost completely kill his own chart approach. I mean, he was BLAZING hot in 1982, having Nr. 1 hits for a decade in a row (only Lionel Richie has had a longer run), duets with Michael Jackson, being on Thriller, duet with Stevie Wonder – and THEN he made "Give my regards to Broad Street".
Maybe it was his choice of playing all these "old" songs and people thought of him as a "yesterday's act", or maybe just because it was so dreadful and the critics were slaughtering him…
It's interesting how that kind of "independent" home recording album "McCartney II" didn't hurt him as much as the big budget album GMRTBS. Not that much memorable music on there as well (still not bad). But at least there was "Coming up" with that great video, that kept him alive.
And the GMRTBS album still sold very well, and No more lonely nights was a big hit – but after all, his chart career was over afterwards.
And then "Press to play" came out with all that daring synthie-stuff, and it was like the final nail to his coffin.
He never fully recovered from that, regarding commercial success.
Don't get me wrong, personally I think that he blossomed again and had an amazing run of albums: Flowers in the dirt (plus the huge tour), Off the ground (well, parts of it), Flaming pie, Driving rain (parts of it), Chaos and creation, Memory almost full – there's much of his best solo stuff happening AFTER that desaster.
When he didn't have to look for "the next chart topping single" he was able to explore new ways again, concentrating just on the music.
So, the middle of the 80s are indeed not his most successful period, although he started fantastic with Tug of war and was able to come back with Flowers in the dirt.
Thank God he didn't let his career end with "All the best". Wouldn't have been the first star to just sit on his hits from long gone times.
Instead he went on tour again big time, made the "Fireman" albums, collected even more Grammy nominations for his new albums, got into painting, wrote classical scores etc.
And "Kisses on the bottom" seems to go down well again, getting nice reviews.
I'm looking forward to whatever he keeps bringing up, going strongly towards 70!
Amazing artist.
1.36pm
1 May 2011
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One of the reasons why Pauls career was hit heavily by GMRTBS was that there was the film, album and the game and Paul plugged the film and album heavily with the film premier in Liverpool, plus Ringo was in it so there is another Beatle to stoke the fire. One of the most difficult things to understand is how the majority of the GMRTB project is awful yet include No More Lonely Nights which is a classic Paul song, and both the ballad and dance versions are so different.
Tug of War is a stong album however Ebony and Ivory has dated badly as has Say Say Say from Pipes of Peace which is a very inconsistant album. To then be followed by GMRTBS and PTP which were commercial disasters would have been really difficult for anyone to recover from (according to Wikipedia PTP got high praise from the critics so a lot of damage must have been caused by Broad Street for it not to have sold). Thankfully Paul found Elvis Costello as a successful, albeit brief, writing partner and together they wrote material that is strong, many of which feature on Flowers In The Dirt or Off The Ground. And without doubt The Beatles Anthology heavily inspired and rejuvenated Paul not just in his attitude to the studio (Flaming Pie being one of Pauls best solo albums) but also his standing in the public's eye.
There is also the arguement that not touring was a contributor to Pauls mid-80's dip, not just being in the public eye but also the buzz of performing in front of an audience.
1.56pm
10 August 2011
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Love this discussion.
What killed McC in this part of the world WERE his big hits. They were major commercial successes – but at a price: Seen as simplistic (dare I say "silly") fluff aimed at teenagers and younger, they (were perceived) to reflect a musically irrelevant has-been.
Many never bothered to buy the albums and therefore never got to see (IMO) the better stuff.
Thus the snub from the Rock'n'Roll Hall of Fame for many, many years despite huge sales throughout the '70s.
And yes, he recovered, and won the critics over again; but to many (most?) people around me he's been permanently branded as fluff.
"So Sad" …..
(Upon its release, I couldn't stomach the thought of buying or listening to Give my Regards… Maybe time to reconsider)
3.14pm
1 May 2011
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ITSWD, it will never be time to reconsider GMRTBS. The Beatles covers are cringingly embarrassing as are the macca solo songs that were re-covered and the other 2 new songs, No Values and Not Such A Bad Boy, are dreadful. The only reason for owning this is for the mixes of NMLN if you are a collector.
And you're right, even in the beatles Paul has been branded as writing fluff and "granny shit" and being the soft lovey one as John put it whilst John was the hard writing, insightful, deep, meaningful one (which is complete bollocks) and that unfairly extends into his solo career. Tho Paul didnt help himself by writing Silly Love Songs to answer his accusers, a song that is so dated its ridiculous. Unfortunately there was a period when Paul was slated for writing love songs and basically being Paul but if he dared step out and do something, anything else he was equally criticised for daring to not be what people wanted or expected him to be.
Ive never understood why We All Stand Together is endlessly slated. The song is excellent, George Martin's score is beautiful, and the film Rupert and The Frog Song, from which it is featured, is a brilliant cartoon (if you havent seen its on youtube and well worth a viewing) plus it reached #3 in the UK charts. Is it because it features the word 'bum' a lot of times and the press are being puerile? Maybe its going back to the Yellow Submarine scenario?
And to go into a different area, the amount of times ive seen idiots write that the best 2 beatles died first and we're 'left' with Paul and Ringo? Seriously?! How sick and incredibly stupid can some people be? Yes John and George died way too young and both were huge losses in totally different ways but that totally pisses me off and infuriates and saddens me.
8.22pm
1 May 2011
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This thread inspired me to listen to the whole of Off The Group, havent heard it complete for many a year, and its actually a better album than i remembered. Yes there are a handful of environmental and peace song (Looking For Changes, Peace In the Neighbourhood, C'mon People) but not to the extent of becoming preachy (for lack of a better word). Hope of Deliverance is still a great song, and a worthy single, and the album ends with 4 fab tracks (The Lovers That Never Were, Get Out Of My Way, Winedark Open Sea, C'mon People).
Actually Get Out Of My Way would be excellent live nowadays and one he should go back to.
12.57am
23 January 2011
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"Into the Sky with Diamonds" said:
Thus the snub from the Rock'n'Roll Hall of Fame for many, many years despite huge sales throughout the '70s.
Do you think that maybe had more to do with his not showing up to The Beatles' induction into the Hall of Fame? It was a mistake on his part, but I can see the reasoning- the others were suing him at the time, and he didn't want to appear as one big happy family while he was probably pretty angry with them. There is a snippet in Danny Fields's book, where he recorded the speeches and played them back to Paul and Linda over the phone. Needless to say, Paul was less than complimentary towards Yoko's speech ("If John were alive, there is no doubt he'd be here…" Yeah, right…John never snubbed anything that was considered an honor before. Though he probably would have been there with ole pal Jann Wenner.)
And meanmistermustard, I'm down with your explanation all the way. That's exactly how I see it. Paul had a little slump in the mid-80s when his life must have seemed like it was going to hell in a handbasket. The world gave Britney Spears another chance, but they can't give Paul one??? I love "We All Stand Together" and Rupert. I bought the dvd for my baby nephew. He likes the newer one, with Wirral the Squirrel.
2.43pm
1 May 2011
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Another one to add the list is One of These Days from McCartney II.
11.03pm
23 January 2011
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meanmistermustard said
Another one to add the list is One of These Days from McCartney II.
I LOVE that song. I think it is the most beautiful song on McCartney II. You might think I'm silly for thinking this, but I always see it as a dialogue to John because of the line, "when you've got time to please yourself." Around this time, Paul had been quoted as saying he thought John was not making music because he was just trying to be himself for once, instead of being what everyone wanted him to be. Of course, John responded that Paul didn't know anything about him anymore…only to then go on and say basically the same thing. It's hilarious to read all the different ways John contradicted himself in magazines, often in the same interview. What's even more amazing is that no one ever called him on it, and he is still thought of as being the most honest Beatle. Anyway, his little contradictions make him all the more lovable, if not infuriating.
Or, I could be reading more into it than is needed, which I frequently do…
3.17am
23 October 2011
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I really love She's My Baby and Tomorrow
3.34am
23 January 2011
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RevolvingPiggies said
I really love She's My Baby and Tomorrow
Ooooh…me, too. She's My Baby is delightfully dirty in a kind of sweet way. I also love San Ferry Anne from Speed of Sound. It's funny how you picked songs from the two Wings albums that most list as their worst, but I love both albums.
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