A case for reevaluating Paul's (and the rest of The Beatles') post-Beatles careers | Page 3 | Paul McCartney | Fab forum

Please consider registering
Guest

Log In Register

Register | Lost password?
Advanced Search

— Forum Scope —

  

— Match —

   

— Forum Options —

   

Minimum search word length is 4 characters - maximum search word length is 84 characters

A case for reevaluating Paul's (and the rest of The Beatles') post-Beatles careers
16 August 2012
11.21pm
vonbontee
Inside a Letterbox
Apple rooftop
Forum Posts: 2226
Member Since:
1 December 2009
Offline
41

True, if you can get past "Hold Me Tight" !

I just want to play. I’d like to think I could work opposite Sinatra, B.B. King, the Beatles, or a polka band... - Jazz musician Rahsaan Roland Kirk, 1967
17 August 2012
12.05am
vonbontee
Inside a Letterbox
Apple rooftop
Forum Posts: 2226
Member Since:
1 December 2009
Offline
42

OK, I'm sorry, Paulsbass - it's just that when you quote somebody's post like that, I usually assume you're arguing with them! I misunderstood you. Apologies.

Like I say, I look forward to hearing "Tug of War" (followed by "Flaming Pie" and "Back to the Egg" and after that, who knows?) in the indefinite future!

I just want to play. I’d like to think I could work opposite Sinatra, B.B. King, the Beatles, or a polka band... - Jazz musician Rahsaan Roland Kirk, 1967
17 August 2012
12.32am
Ben Ramon
Candlestick Park
Forum Posts: 619
Member Since:
26 March 2012
Offline
43

vonbontee said
OK, I'm sorry, Paulsbass - it's just that when you quote somebody's post like that, I usually assume you're arguing with them! I misunderstood you. Apologies.

Like I say, I look forward to hearing "Tug of War" (followed by "Flaming Pie" and "Back to the Egg" and after that, who knows?) in the indefinite future!

I'd give Back to the Egg a miss personally, it has some gems (and it's better than London Town- yuck!) but I agree with some people that it's the moment where Paul fell to dinosaurism and became somewhat less relevant.

SHUT UP - Paulie's talkin'
17 August 2012
12.56am
meanmistermustard
Moderator



Forum Posts: 9948
Member Since:
1 May 2011
Online
44

Back To The Egg hasnt aged well in my opinion, sounding a little outdated (it might sound better when we get the remaster in 2034 since Pauls project is taking decades to be completed) - i havent played complete for a long time. London Town has some good parts but the opening few tracks kill the album, they are up there with the crappest Macca works, the song London Town is such a bore with dreadful lyrics.

He told us not to get overwhelmed by grief and whatever thoughts we have... to keep them happy, because any thoughts we have of him will travel to him wherever he is. (John Lennon - 27/8/67)
17 August 2012
1.03am
Ben Ramon
Candlestick Park
Forum Posts: 619
Member Since:
26 March 2012
Offline
45

meanmistermustard said
Back To The Egg hasnt aged well in my opinion, sounding a little outdated (it might sound better when we get the remaster in 2034 since Pauls project is taking decades to be completed) - i havent played complete for a long time. London Town has some good parts but the opening few tracks kill the album, they are up there with the crappest Macca works, the song London Town is such a bore with dreadful lyrics.

I really can't bear London Town, it's just so bland and insipid, really lacking in good songs, and after the crackle which Jimmy McCulloch and Joe English brought to '75, '76 and '77 everyone just sounds bored. Best song on it is the really underappreciated "Don't Let It Bring You Down."

SHUT UP - Paulie's talkin'
17 August 2012
1.21am
meanmistermustard
Moderator



Forum Posts: 9948
Member Since:
1 May 2011
Online
46

a-hard-days-night-ringo-8 It is a very, how shall we say, erm soft album; apart from Morse Moose there is little that gets it going. I adore With A Little Luck and a few others are pleasant enough but the more its played the less most of it appeals. Its no way as bad as GMRTB or Driving Rain, man those 2 suck majorly, but it would be at the lower depths of Pauls catalogue pile of must hears.

Im of the opinion that by the late 70's Wings were coming to the end of their shelf life, the Concert for Kampuchea being the perfect closure.

He told us not to get overwhelmed by grief and whatever thoughts we have... to keep them happy, because any thoughts we have of him will travel to him wherever he is. (John Lennon - 27/8/67)
17 August 2012
1.41am
Ben Ramon
Candlestick Park
Forum Posts: 619
Member Since:
26 March 2012
Offline

meanmistermustard said
a-hard-days-night-ringo-8 It is a very, how shall we say, erm soft album; apart from Morse Moose there is little that gets it going. I adore With A Little Luck and a few others are pleasant enough but the more its played the less most of it appeals. Its no way as bad as GMRTB or Driving Rain, man those 2 suck majorly, but it would be at the lower depths of Pauls catalogue pile of must hears.

I like the song itself- the melody, lyrics, etc. But the production is really horrible, the synths just suck all the life out of it and even when Paul does his gritty vocal it sounds flat. It's one of his worst '70s singles in my book. I do also like "Backwards Traveller/Cuff Link."

SHUT UP - Paulie's talkin'
17 August 2012
3.50am
Into the Sky with Diamonds
New York
Apple rooftop
Forum Posts: 1302
Member Since:
10 August 2011
Offline
48

I'm not as down as you guys are on London Town.

There's no awesome song, but plenty are enjoyable.

The first five songs go down easy like a melon appetizer that's got some flavor but nothing great. "London Town" is indeed on the weak side, but I've noticed that a number of otherwise excellent McC albums start off with a song that's just fair.

I really have always liked "Deliver Your Children" - the guitar, the harmonies, the pace. To me it's another "I've Just Seen A Face"

And yes, "Don't Let it Bring You Down" gets a thumbs up; it has a calm, spiritual side that really works, as in "Summer's Day Song" on McC II

Ironically, "With a Little Luck" is one of the songs I really don't care for. To my ears it's maudlin, trite, thin...;  the production is very unappealing (rare for a McCartney track)

"Girlfriend" is an example of how McCartney fans can disagree: I hate that high castrato voice. Perhaps I'd like it in a different key.

Yet Michael Jackson chose THAT particular McCartney song to cover on one of his early albums!

"Into the Sky with Diamonds" (the Beatles and the Race to the Moon – a history)
17 August 2012
9.08am
meanmistermustard
Moderator



Forum Posts: 9948
Member Since:
1 May 2011
Online

Well ive nearly liked Dont Let It Be Bring You Downa-hard-days-night-ringo-6. Its so slow and doesnt do anything apart from keep going (4 1/2 minutes and nothing happens), the vocals are so bland i find, the lyrics are decent but the way its sung - blah, like a very milky cup of tea or a rice cake, there is nothing there for taste. Summers Day Song has a beautiful melody and is so at peace and can take me away DLIBYD irritates me in its dullness.

 

I like Girlfriend, its one of the few i have time for. If i had to skim my macca collection down to only the ones i really liked from London Town i would be left with: Children, Children; Girlfriend; Deliver You're Children; Im Carrying; Morse Moose and the Grey Goose; With A Little Luck.  I suppose 5 isnt bad from any album but the rest could happily be dunked in a vat of acid - and thats 9 songs.

He told us not to get overwhelmed by grief and whatever thoughts we have... to keep them happy, because any thoughts we have of him will travel to him wherever he is. (John Lennon - 27/8/67)
17 August 2012
10.04am
GeorgeTSimpson
Vienna, Austria
Hollywood Bowl
Forum Posts: 345
Member Since:
12 April 2012
Offline
50

Also I think that John Lennon/Plastic Ono Band, Imagine, John's songs on Double Fantasy and all things must pass are better than the first four beatles albums but again that's only my opinion if someone says the first four beatles albums are his favourite beatles album, I understand that

Once there was a way to get back homewards. Once there was a way to get back home; sleep pretty darling do not cry. And I will sing a lullaby
17 August 2012
7.21pm
vonbontee
Inside a Letterbox
Apple rooftop
Forum Posts: 2226
Member Since:
1 December 2009
Offline

Ben Ramon said

meanmistermustard said
a-hard-days-night-ringo-8 It is a very, how shall we say, erm soft album; apart from Morse Moose there is little that gets it going. I adore With A Little Luck and a few others are pleasant enough but the more its played the less most of it appeals. Its no way as bad as GMRTB or Driving Rain, man those 2 suck majorly, but it would be at the lower depths of Pauls catalogue pile of must hears.

I like the song itself- the melody, lyrics, etc. But the production is really horrible, the synths just suck all the life out of it

Indeed. There was a point in the late 70s where, after a decade of creative usage, artists started using synthesizers as mere glorified string sections. Boring! And it didn't help that the synth part on the bridge sounded exactly like "For No One" recycled.

I just want to play. I’d like to think I could work opposite Sinatra, B.B. King, the Beatles, or a polka band... - Jazz musician Rahsaan Roland Kirk, 1967
17 August 2012
7.48pm
vonbontee
Inside a Letterbox
Apple rooftop
Forum Posts: 2226
Member Since:
1 December 2009
Offline
52

Ben Ramon said

vonbontee said
OK, I'm sorry, Paulsbass - it's just that when you quote somebody's post like that, I usually assume you're arguing with them! I misunderstood you. Apologies.

Like I say, I look forward to hearing "Tug of War" (followed by "Flaming Pie" and "Back to the Egg" and after that, who knows?) in the indefinite future!

I'd give Back to the Egg a miss personally, it has some gems (and it's better than London Town- yuck!) but I agree with some people that it's the moment where Paul fell to dinosaurism and became somewhat less relevant.

Maybe so but I'll still have to hear it for myself first. It's really incredible that after all this time (31 years after buying "Wings' Greatest" for 4 bucks, new!), I've still only heard like 2/3 of the man's '70s output.

I just want to play. I’d like to think I could work opposite Sinatra, B.B. King, the Beatles, or a polka band... - Jazz musician Rahsaan Roland Kirk, 1967
9 February 2014
10.21pm
tulane
Decca
Forum Posts: 87
Member Since:
7 February 2014
Offline
53

Inner Light said
As for George, it seems he spent all of his creative energy on All Things Must Pass partly in an attempt to snub Lennon and McCartney. ATMP is a splendid album, but I feel that George was very unwise in throwing everything he had into the 23-song set. If he had released a single LP in 1970 with some of ATMP's best songs on it, and picked his material wisely, he still would have had plenty of very fine material left for the next album, and perhaps even the next. As it was, he successfully showed the critics that he was as good as his former bandmates with the colossal effort of ATMP and then fizzled out really quite quickly. I have never liked any of George's work from Living In The Material World onwards; there are occasional standouts but the majority of it is very preachy, overproduced and often moody and contemptuous. Plus we have to bear in mind that a lot of the songs on ATMP were written and some partly rehearsed when George was in the Beatles and probably received some advice and tweaking from John and Paul.


Keep in mind that this is all opinions and though I do agree ATMP should not have been a three record set, he wrote a lot of great songs throughout his solo career. As far as his songs being preachy, he always wrote what he felt inside and spoke the truth to what he believed in. Any artist that does not what I like to call 'play the game' is always going to be up for major criticism. George did not care if his albums sold nor did he care what people thought. A true artist to me is someone who is true to themselves. You will not find too many artists if any, who will say any negative comments about Harrison. For me, they were all fantastic but George as I read in a magazine once that referred to him as 'The Beautiful One'  will always I feel have an impact in musical history for his passion, kindness and staying true to himself.

Excellent post.

 

Forum Timezone: Europe/London

Most Users Ever Online: 597

Currently Online: meanmistermustard, Ahhh Girl, Annadog40, Beatleva, thisbirdhasflown, StrawberryWalrus
50 Guest(s)

Currently Browsing this Page:
1 Guest(s)

Top Posters:

meanmistermustard: 9948

mr. Sun king coming together: 6916

parlance: 5219

Ahhh Girl: 5199

mithveaen: 4651

Annadog40: 4335

Zig: 4223

Mr. Kite: 3843

Ron Nasty: 3101

fabfouremily: 2931

Member Stats:

Guest Posters: 88

Members: 2636

Moderators: 4

Admins: 2

Forum Stats:

Groups: 3

Forums: 34

Topics: 3153

Posts: 136224

Newest Members: victor777, Marina888, Pastoral, Blockin, BobGreaves

Moderators: Ahhh Girl: 5199, meanmistermustard: 9948, Zig: 4223, Joe: 3465

Administrators: Joe: 3465, Ellie: 1

Members Birthdays
Today: YouLoseAndIWin
Upcoming: YouKnowMyName