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15 August 2012
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Ben Ramon
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Music criticism is something that has always irked me anyway. Why are these people, who get paid to write down their (entirely subjective) opinions, the go-to to find out whether an album is good or not? Because they know more about music than the average consumer? It makes little sense.

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15 August 2012
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They're more entitled because they get their records FREE!

I remember George saying 'Blimey, he's always talking about “Yesterday”, you'd think he was Beethoven or somebody' - Paul McCartney

15 August 2012
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Off topic, but since you mention Landau,

Jon Landau has also been Bruce Springsteen's manager (financially his most important role for sure) and he's been head of the selection committee for the Rock'n'Roll Hall of Fame.

We have a mutual friend, and I told him I'd always been a big fan of Jethro Tull - at least the early Tull (first 4 albums) - and that I thought they should be in the Hall of Fame, especially when you compare Tull to some of the other acts that have been inducted.

Here was his answer (anyone else think he was sarcastic?):

"Jon Landau here.  I was sorry to learn of your early life traumatic episode with Jethro Tull.  This is a fairly wide spread syndrome that attacks people with otherwise excellent ears who were exposed to this hallowed band early in life.  The damage to their aesthetic judgment can, unfortunately, last a life time.  That is what appears to have happened in your tragic case.
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> FYI:  We have a forty member nominating group that consists of the most extremely knowledgable people in all phases of rock music.  Each year they prepare a ballot of fifteen names that is sent to a voting group of 500 professionals.  I have been chairman of this process for 26 years and oddly enough, in that quarter of a century, no one has ever mentioned Jethro Tull.  Mind you, there are no rules against mentioning them.  Its just that in 26 years, not one committee member has thought has to do so. So, the arc to their possible induction is off to a rather poor start.  Ron, based on my best statistical analysis (no mentions in 26 years) it is entirely possible that they won't be inducted in our lifetimes.  Sad...but true.>
> I hope this provides you with some perspective on the issue at hand.
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> By the way, the band is lucky to have you as such a dedicated fan.
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> All best,

Jon"

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15 August 2012
7.30pm
Ben Ramon
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What a prick.

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15 August 2012
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vonbontee
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Yeah, really! Condescending asshole...the RnRHOF is a joke anyways. And Mike Appel produced Springsteen's best records!

(I agree that the first four Tull albums are the best ones.)

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16 August 2012
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kedame
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Wow! Landau sounds like a complete asshole. I've read that review before, and I can't for the life of me figure out what he was listening to at the time because it certainly wasn't RAM. He calls it boring? It's like the least boring album ever.

And he speaks as if Paul's "schizo" need to be a rocker and a lover is bad??? Versatility is appreciated, in my case. If Paul only wrote Helter Skelters, or only wrote Little Willows, I would be bored. Luckily, I can go to whatever album of his I want and find at least two different styles (and sometimes many more) on them...meaning I'm not bored.

I heart a-hard-days-night-paul-7...just in case you didn't already know!

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16 August 2012
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Into the Sky with Diamonds said
Off topic, but since you mention Landau,

Jon Landau has also been Bruce Springsteen's manager (financially his most important role for sure) and he's been head of the selection committee for the Rock'n'Roll Hall of Fame.

Ah, that makes me sad, I'd like to think that Bruce would realise he's an ass.

As if it matters how a man falls down.'

'When the fall's all that's left, it matters a great deal.

16 August 2012
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vonbontee
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Well, he's been great for Springsteen's career, that's pretty undeniable. (Google the phrase "I have seen the future of rock 'n roll...") Great manager, that is. I'm sure Brian Epstein would've made a lousy record producer or rock critic as well...

I remember George saying 'Blimey, he's always talking about “Yesterday”, you'd think he was Beethoven or somebody' - Paul McCartney

16 August 2012
11.24pm
Ben Ramon
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There really are times when I think Ram is as good as Abbey Road.

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17 August 2012
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paulsbass said

 
 
Wow, what can you say about a review that calls "Heart Of The Country" the lowpoint of the album.

Leaving aside Monkberry Moon Delight (my favourite song on the album, but I can just about see why he'd call it boring- why he'd pick it out over Long Haired Lady, I don't know), what would you consider the low point? The only one I don't think I can remember you praising is Eat At Home.

Ringo famously said there were no tunes on Ram. I'm not sure if he even listened to it, because there is very little that isn't tune.

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17 August 2012
1.49am
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Long John Silver
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The Walrus said

paulsbass said

 
 
Wow, what can you say about a review that calls "Heart Of The Country" the lowpoint of the album.

Leaving aside Monkberry Moon Delight (my favourite song on the album, but I can just about see why he'd call it boring- why he'd pick it out over Long Haired Lady, I don't know), what would you consider the low point? The only one I don't think I can remember you praising is Eat At Home.

Ringo famously said there were no tunes on Ram. I'm not sure if he even listened to it, because there is very little that isn't tune.

I think all Beatles dissed the album because of song "3 legs" and the backcover.

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17 August 2012
1.51am
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The Walrus said

paulsbass said

Wow, what can you say about a review that calls "Heart Of The Country" the lowpoint of the album.

Leaving aside Monkberry Moon Delight (my favourite song on the album, but I can just about see why he'd call it boring- why he'd pick it out over Long Haired Lady, I don't know), what would you consider the low point? The only one I don't think I can remember you praising is Eat At Home.

Ringo famously said there were no tunes on Ram. I'm not sure if he even listened to it, because there is very little that isn't tune.

I was stunned by Ringo's evaluation of Ram as well, he can't have given it many tries. Although John famously hated the album, I was touched to see he did give constructive criticism and say which bits he liked- "Eat At Home" being among them.

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17 August 2012
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Long John Silver
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I think George also had similar comment about it? Don't quote me on this one though.

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17 August 2012
2.20am
Ben Ramon
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Long John Silver said
I think George also had similar comment about it? Don't quote me on this one though.

The Bible article doesn't say anything about George's opinion, but I'd imagine it was similar to John's.

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17 August 2012
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It has to be mentioned that 'Ram' was almost universally savaged at the time.  After 'McCartney' was forgiven slightly for having "Maybe I'm Amazed" on it, everyone was expecting a proper pop masterpiece to follow it.  And they got 'Ram'.  Another self-recorded album of wierdness.

This pissed off a LOT of people.

 

At least most of these critics have re-evaluated it in the proper perspective, and it's now appreciated as the "cleansing" experience as it was intended.

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17 August 2012
3.43pm
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Paulsbass said, "My least favourite are 3 legs, Eat At Home and Smile away."

Agreed.

They all have redeeming features, but seem facile - I think I could have written them (though not sung them).

 

Paulsbass said,"the end of MMD goes on for one and a half minutes, that's just a bit too long. Still far from being boring, imo."

Disagree! That last minute and a half would be a candidate for "my all-time favorite Macca bit" That vocal demonstration is stupendous.

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17 August 2012
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Proving myself to be of no integrity whatsoever, and counter to my threat upthread, I went ahead and bought the 2-CD version of this last night - just can't break that 30+ year habit of handing over my money to record stores! Haven't played it yet, but I'm hoping that second CD of bonus tracks is worthwhile. I'm optimistic!

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18 August 2012
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Long John Silver
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I am the only one here who likes "Eat At Home" song?

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18 August 2012
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kedame
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Long John Silver said
I am the only one here who likes "Eat At Home" song?

Nope...I love the naughtiness of that song. I also love 3 Legs.

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19 August 2012
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vonbontee
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Never would've thought anybody had a problem with "Eat At Home". Really, the only parts of the album I don't like are the second "Ram On" and most of "Long Haired Lady" (especially Linda's lead vocal spotlight bits.) Oh, and the spoken-telephone recitation in "Uncle Albert" is kinda irritating. (Incidentally, a misinformed friend once tried to convince me that that was the voice of John Cleese!)

I remember George saying 'Blimey, he's always talking about “Yesterday”, you'd think he was Beethoven or somebody' - Paul McCartney

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