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25 September 2011
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I don't understand you, sun king. I said nothing about him having fantastic albums or whatever. I said people seem to think he is a no talent hack. Besides, who cares if they are fantastic albums? I said he still has creativity and drive. Whether they are groundbreaking or not, I still enjoy them.

Lordy, I said I was going to stop defending my love of all of his music, but it appears I can't. I really don't care if all of it isn't the quality of BOTR or Ram or Sgt. Pepper's.

All I meant was why can't the man just put on a good fucking show without someone crawling out of the woodwork to take a stab at him? It's a new ballet, for God's sake. It isn't going to be as good as Swan Lake or The Nutcracker, but it can still be enjoyable.


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25 September 2011
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I didn't attack you, but I wanted to. Oh, how I wanted to. All I did was clarify my points. The problem with the criticism of McCartney is that he is not treated like anyone else. If he makes a ballet, suddenly he should revolutionize the whole art? Umm…no. All he wanted was to put on a good show, and from what I can see, it looks like a pretty good show.

For God's sake, sometimes I don't even know why I post here. You are so rude most of the time that I just angrier every time I come on here. Do you intentionally piss people off, or is it just a natural side of your personality? I can't really tell. I think maybe I should just take a break from all Beatles boards. It would make my pulse lower significantly.

And I don't even know what you mean by diluting your points. Where did I do that?

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Having listened to the album three times now (unlike a pop/rock album, you can't really dip in and out of a 56-minute classical recording with four movements) I think part of the problem – if you see it as such – is McCartney's lack of familiarity with writing classical music, so he adapts what he knows to fit. So you get little musical motifs that come and go, that in another guise he might have turned into a verse or a chorus of a pop song, but they don't really get expanded upon or turned into a recurring motif.

The whole thing is nice but quite forgettable. Ocean's Kingdom doesn't seem to have much in the way of memorable hooks and melodies, the way the great classical works do, and where there's countermelody or modulation it feels like he's done it because he's learnt somewhere along the line that that's what a classical piece should contain. McCartney's orchestral works seem to have none of the flair of someone who's lived with this sort of music all their life and is compelled to find a way to express it – it's more of an ersatz emulation of how he feels it should be.

Being a millionaire with enough commercial clout to get other people interested, he's able to indulge himself with these projects on a whim ("Today, Nancy, I think I'll write a ballet. Then next week I'll become a painter. After that I'll probably try my hand at directing a film…"), but they don't feel particularly authentic to me. He obeys the rules, competent and safe but low on thrills, and there's no breaking of convention or pushing of boundaries. Interestingly, in the 1960s the Beatles were rule-breakers because they didn't understand why something shouldn't be done their way, but the willingness to step outside of classical convention doesn't seem to have occurred to him. It's a shame, because I reckon his newness to the field could have been a strength.

That said, this is the soundtrack to a ballet, so it probably shouldn't be judged out of context. Although if the soundtrack is sold on its own presumably it's intended to stand on its own merits. Oh well, what do I know?

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Im not into ballet or classical music, never have been, and Macca's move into that area with the ballet isnt going to chance that. However i wasnt expecting anything too incredulous simply because he is new to the ballet scene. Im also not at all suprised that the critics have been out because for Paul they always have been. He could have created a wonderful piece of music and it would still have generated a response along the lines of 'what does he know about ballet'  from the so-called experts


Up until the beatles anthology in 1995/6 Paul had been criticised for nearly everything he did. The Sun newspaper printed a review of Flowers In The Dirt that ended by asking for Paul to quit. His stock has risen steadily as he has aged (wow good old Paul he hasnt retired, is still singing and can hold his guitar!!), the publics enduring love of the Beatles, and because of how Heather ended the marriage and her background.  

As for the safety aspect i've read a lot recently of bands and artists who have been complemented on keeping their sound the same, not moving on into a different approach. Seems to be where everything is just now. Maybe its down to the instability within society, keep everything ticking along nicely, dont rock the boat too much.   

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