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1994/2013 differences
12 November 2013
11.05am
Joe
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I got my copy of Live At The BBC – The Collection today (volumes one and two in a slipcase). Some thoughts on the 1994/2013 reissue of volume one:

The improved sound quality of the remastering is largely negligible. The one that sounds most different to me is Johnny B Goode, which actually has more hiss on the 2013 version (it's also a bit brighter and probably better than the original, slightly muffled version).

On the 1994 version, some of the songs and speeches were crossfaded. They've changed this now so there's no overlap. I prefer the new cleaner versions.

There's a new 30-second bit of speech on disc 1 called What Is It, George?, in which he introduces Soldier Of Love. On disc 2 there's another called Ringo? Yep, ahead of I Wanna Be Your Man. It's a short interview with Ringo, in which he answers "Yep" to a series of questions. It replaces Have A Banana.

Disc 2. Things We Said Today doesn't have the speech over the intro. Presumably they found the original session tape (my guess is the 1994 release was taped off the radio in 1964).

She's A Woman now lasts a few seconds longer. I Forgot To Remember To Forget is faster and slightly higher, and sounds better. There's now a closing version of From Us To You at the very end of the album. The 1994 version ended with Love Me Do.

IMO none of these are really reasons to repurchase the album (I did because I tend to buy anything Beatles, but you've probably got more sense than me). If you have the 1994 version you've already got a perfectly good copy, unless those crossfades really bug you.

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12 November 2013
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The intro-less Things We Said Today has been booted and i think the version with the intro was for oversees and was preserved on one of those Oversees Transcription (or whatever it is) discs. 

 

I'd like to know why Have A Banana was replaced, was it just to get those who need everything to buy it (which wouldn't make sense as they would buy it anyway),

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12 November 2013
11.18am
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Thanks. I didn't know that.

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12 November 2013
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Thanks for the write-up Joe. I don't think I will bother with the 2013 remaster…at least not today.a-hard-days-night-george-10

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12 November 2013
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meanmistermustard said

I'd like to know why Have A Banana was replaced, was it just to get those who need everything to buy it (which wouldn't make sense as they would buy it anyway),

I suspect it's because Have A Banana had the guitar outro of AHDN in the background, and the 2013 reissue contains clean versions (no crossfades). Presumably there was no way to separate them, so they found some alternative audio instead.

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12 November 2013
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Joe said

meanmistermustard said
I'd like to know why Have A Banana was replaced, was it just to get those who need everything to buy it (which wouldn't make sense as they would buy it anyway),

I suspect it's because Have A Banana had the guitar outro of AHDN in the background, and the 2013 reissue contains clean versions (no crossfades). Presumably there was no way to separate them, so they found some alternative audio instead.

Good theory Joe, would explain it. So does that mean that AHDN ends clean and full, not sudden? The "Ringo? Yup!" speech is the actual intro to that I Wanna Be Your Man performance so it does make more sense than a non-related piece of dialogue (again to that performance of IWBYM, not to AHDN which wasn't even the original outro to that either).

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12 November 2013
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I just checked again. AHDN does end with some banter. It's actually most of "Have a banana!", but ends slightly earlier – specifically just before this point:

"…lot of fellas there, aren't you? Here, Ringo, have a banana – catch!"

So instead of two separate files/tracks, they've rolled them into one and removed the final seconds. AHDN ends with "otherwise there's no point in you being there, is there?" I was wrong about there being no music/speech crossover, apologies.

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12 November 2013
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Thanks for all the info folks, I will also stick with the one I have.

12 November 2013
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I consider the new edition as one of those things that I'll probably find in a thrift store in a few years, and will pick up then.  The old edition (as much as I listen to it) will suffice for a long time.

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12 November 2013
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I haven't finished listening yet, but after disc 1 I have noticed that the remaster generally has a warmer sound, while still being clear and defined.  The old one sounds sharper but is not as easy on the ears.

That's how my ears hear it, at least.

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13 November 2013
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That's interesting. I ripped my copies and played the first few seconds of a 1994 song, followed by a few of the 2013 remaster, and found barely any difference. I went through the whole album like that, though admittedly didn't listen to the songs all the way through. The audio improvement certainly wasn't on a par with the 1980s/2009 remasters.

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15 November 2013
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There are also differences between the booklets with different pictures, a new essay by Kevin Howlett replacing 1994's, and slight variations in some of the song details; for instance on the opening track, 'Beatles Greetings', the recording date has been amended to the correct date of the 3rd October (originally stated as the 9th October and that sentence removed) and the note for 'I Feel Fine' now refers to the outtake on 'On Air Volume 2'.

As for the end of A Hard Days Night why didn't they use the alternate piece of dialogue that ends probably (and is on bootleg) instead of an early crass fade?

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