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Yoko Ono's legal battles for John Lennon's name and legacy
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There seem to be so many of these kind of lawsuits and thinsg that we might as well have a topic on them!

 

Here's the latest ... 

Yoko Ono tackles Dundee Pub

via clashmusic.com

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OMG!!!! A TOPIC!!! ABOUT LAWSUITS!!!! 

But I think it is totally necesarry...

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I understand Yoko is suing Sean Lennon to change his name because it sounds too much like John Lennon.

"She looks more like him than I do."
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*zigs with coffee* That's so true because Sean is the Irish form of John.

 

I know this because the famous Mexican singer Juan Gabriel named his children with variants of John : Sean, Ivan and Giovanni. In Spanish, John is Juan. a-hard-days-night-john-2

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 I also heard Yoko was suing the fruit lemon - because it sounded so close to lennon -

"She looks more like him than I do."
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robert said:

 I also heard Yoko was suing the fruit lemon – because it sounded so close to lennon -

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LennonSon said:

robert said:

 I also heard Yoko was suing the fruit lemon – because it sounded so close to lennon -

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Any need for hundreds of page-breaking smileys?

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a-hard-days-night-ringo-8I think Yoko's considering a lawsuit for all John smileys.

As if it matters how a man falls down.'

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I remember reading a Paul McCartney interview for Rolling Stone magazine where he discusses his grievances with the Lennon/McCartney thing, and how Yoko was basically being an idiot about it. Not really a lawsuit but I think it's quite interesting.

 

Here's a link to the interview: http://www.rollingstone.com/mu.....617?page=1

 

But here's the part I was on about:

But what can you do about it?

I apologize in advance for this — this is a crazy little pet peeve of mine. I'll try and keep it short. "Lennon-McCartney" was always cool. I like it. It's a logo. But what was happening was, for example, my poem "Blackbird" appeared in an anthology, and it appeared as "By John Lennon and Paul McCartney." I mean, wait a minute, I wrote that.

Sort of like "Yesterday," which none of the other Beatles even performed on.

Same thing, but this was being reproduced as a poem. I thought, "That should really say, 'Written by Paul McCartney.' Or at the very worst, 'Written by Paul McCartney and John Lennon.' I should get front billing." So when the [Beatles] Anthology came out, after thirty years of always having John's name in front, I thought it should say, " 'Yesterday,' by Paul McCartney and John Lennon." So I rang up and asked Yoko. This is when Linda and I were going through our real horror times. I rang Yoko up and said, "Couldn't I, on the Anthology, just on this one song, put my name in front? Could we put, 'Written by Paul McCartney and John Lennon'? It would be a great favor to me." Linda actually rang her and said, "Do this as a favor." Well, it became a major issue — and listen to me talking about it, like I'm trying to make it little. But in the end, she just said no.

Then, after that, I was in Rome, late at night in a bar. And there was a pianist's fake book in the corner. Well, I have to go and look at it, don't I? I open the page, and it says, " 'Hey Jude,' written by John Lennon." There was no room on the page, and "Paul McCartney" got left off. That was the killer blow. It was like, "Awwrrrgh!" So I thought, "This is what's going to happen." This is what I meant when people said, "Don't worry, Paul."

So I say: Put me first, man. But, listen, I'm in deep therapy. I'm seeing a therapist every three hours about this. [Laughs] No, no, seriously, I do think it would be not a bad thing for me to be allowed to do that — and only when our names are used in full. When it's Lennon-McCartney, John should always come first.

How would that ever happen?

Yoko has to say, "What a good idea, Paul."

That's unlikely.

It's slightly unlikely. [Laughs] But this is why we don't have a great relationship. That, and the fact that Linda rang her personally during the height of her chemo shit and asked her, and Yoko said, "That's never going to happen."

And, you know, I don't have a hard time with her. She's a good lady. She's a great artist. [Looks away and laughs] I should get off it — there are more important things in the world. But it's become sour, and it never was when John and I worked together. We were the two guys who knew it didn't matter. So, that's enough gossip for one day, loves!

 

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a-hard-days-night-ringo-8That is why Paul is a douche.

As if it matters how a man falls down.'

'When the fall's all that's left, it matters a great deal.

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He's right about something : Crediting John for writing all the Lennon/McCartney songs. I mean, if you're going to credit the songwriters write the whole blue-meanie name : Lennon/McCartney.

 

I have books that credit Yesterday and Eleanor Rigby to John Lennon. And that's wrong.  a-hard-days-night-paul-2

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mithveaen said:

I have books that credit Yesterday and Eleanor Rigby to John Lennon. And that's wrong.  

I hate it when that happens! blue-meanie

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Take a look at this article (9 years old, but still): http://www.independent.co.uk/o.....html Take a look at this paragraph:

But messing with the order of songwriting credits is like messing with the language. The ear has got used to them. Sullivan and Gilbert does not sound right; nor does Hammerstein and Rodgers. Nor, after all these years, does McCartney and Lennon. I'm not sure, either, that those who were interested ever made the mistakes of attribution that Sir Paul fears. In the case of the Beatles, fans tended to think, rightly, that whoever sang the song probably wrote it. McCartney sang "Hey Jude", "Eleanor Rigby" et al. 

Or this one here:

The second episode that weighed heavily on McCartney occurred much more recently when he was in a bar and looked at the pianist's sheet music. "Hey Jude" was ascribed to John Lennon. Songwriting credits are indeed sometimes shortened for reasons of space; but the phrase "Don't shoot me, I'm only the piano player" may well have been screamed in terror that night

It''s no damn tragedy, and we shouldn't act like it means a damn thing. Live with it Paul. You look a douche when you act like this.

 

As if it matters how a man falls down.'

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He reversed the billing (McCartney-Lennon) on Wings Over America back in 1976, and the version of The Long And Winding Road was credited to McCartney only. I presume this all only became an issue once Lennon was dead and canonised.

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mr. Sun king coming together said:

That is why Paul is a douche.

Hmm... I wouldn't say that. I'd be mad too, but really, they were all douches at one time or another. (I don't know about Ringo, but I seem to remember something about people hating to interview him because he was irritable.) 

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Joe said:

He reversed the billing (McCartney-Lennon) on Wings Over America back in 1976, and the version of The Long And Winding Road was credited to McCartney only.

Nope. I have an original vinyl which credits it as McCartney/Lennon.

As if it matters how a man falls down.'

'When the fall's all that's left, it matters a great deal.

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a-hard-days-night-ringo-8That is why Paul is a douche.

How the hell is he the one coming out of that badly?

Linda: Could Paul reverse the credit for one song on which John doesn't appear?

Yoko: That's never going to happen.

You can see why Yoko disagreed (Paul's songs are much more lucrative than John's, if they reversed the credit then that would open her up for losing some royalties down the line), but it was still selfish of her.

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The Walrus said:

You can see why Yoko disagreed (Paul's songs are much more lucrative than John's, if they reversed the credit then that would open her up for losing some royalties down the line), but it was still selfish of her.

Not at all.  She wouldn't have lost a dime.

The Walrus said:

mr. Sun king coming together said:

a-hard-days-night-ringo-8That is why Paul is a douche.

How the hell is he the one coming out of that badly?

He was trying to change a pact that he had had for 40 years while the other guy in the deal is dead. And then he devotes 6 damn paragraphs to one simple thing. He was being a douche. This occurred when he was also doing Many Years From Now. Same damn arrogance that ruins that book is all too clear here.

As if it matters how a man falls down.'

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mr. Sun king coming together said:

The Walrus said:

You can see why Yoko disagreed (Paul's songs are much more lucrative than John's, if they reversed the credit then that would open her up for losing some royalties down the line), but it was still selfish of her.

Not at all.  She wouldn't have lost a dime.

Not immediately, no, but she'd be opening herself up for Paul coming at her and saying "right, if you admit I wrote all of Yesterday and Hey Jude, I want 100% of the money the songwriter is entitled to, and you can have 100% of Julia". Or, in an even more extreme case, McCartney wanting to split the Lennon-McCartney credit for all songs they wrote seperately.

The ordering of Lennon/McCartney never seemed to be important. Please Please Me had all the originals credited to McCartney/Lennon, I don't believe Lennon batted an eyelid when Paul reversed the credit while he was alive either.

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