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Why did John return his MBE?
19 November 2010
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I know this is old news but ....

 

http://www.icelebz.com/gossips....._40_years/

 

"Your Majesty, I am returning my MBE as a protest against Britain's
involvement in the Nigeria-Biafra thing, against our support of America
in Vietnam and against 'Cold Turkey' slipping down the charts." a-hard-days-night-john-1

 

I laughed out loud when I read that bit. a-hard-days-night-john-6a-hard-days-night-john-6

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19 November 2010
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I thought you were asking at first. a-hard-days-night-george-9

The other three kept them didn't they?

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19 November 2010
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I haven't heard anything to the contrary.

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19 November 2010
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Heh heh, what if Sir Paul had returned his after he'd been knighted? "Don't need this old thing anymore!" *tosses it out the window*

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19 November 2010
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Paul wouldn't do it because he actually uses his brain about decisions 

I tried to think of something powerful and moving… and failed.  "You were given a choice between war and dishonor - you chose dishonor, and you shall have war" - Winston Churchill
19 November 2010
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Well people gave theirs back in protest against The Beatles getting theirs, I think John protesting against useless wars is a much better reason.

19 November 2010
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They rediscovered John's MBE a few years ago. It was in some vault somewhere in a British government building in London, together with the letter he wrote. It had been there since 1969, put away for safe keeping then forgotten about.

I'm not sure where it went next - hopefully to a museum.

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19 November 2010
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mr. Sun king coming together said:

Paul wouldn't do it because he actually uses his brain about decisions 


Um... 

And John doesn't?

Remember, John's brain works differently from normal peoples' brains. 

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20 November 2010
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MeanMrs.Mustard said:

mr. Sun king coming together said:

Paul wouldn't do it because he actually uses his brain about decisions 


Um... 
And John doesn't?

Remember, John's brain works differently from normal peoples' brains. 


John made rash decisions like this whereas Paul would always consider all his options in situations such as it.
I tried to think of something powerful and moving… and failed.  "You were given a choice between war and dishonor - you chose dishonor, and you shall have war" - Winston Churchill
20 November 2010
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mr. Sun king coming together said:

MeanMrs.Mustard said:

mr. Sun king coming together said:

Paul wouldn't do it because he actually uses his brain about decisions 


Um... 

And John doesn't?
 

Remember, John's brain works differently from normal peoples' brains. 


John made rash decisions like this whereas Paul would always consider all his options in situations such as it.
 

Such as Paul's decision to tell the media he had taken LSD, despite being the last Beatle to take it? a-hard-days-night-paul-3
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20 November 2010
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DoctorRobert said:

mr. Sun king coming together said:

MeanMrs.Mustard said:

mr. Sun king coming together said:

Paul wouldn't do it because he actually uses his brain about decisions 


Um...
 

And John doesn't?

Remember, John's brain works differently from normal peoples' brains. 


John made rash decisions like this whereas Paul would always consider all his options in situations such as it.

 


Such as Paul's decision to tell the media he had taken LSD, despite being the last Beatle to take it? a-hard-days-night-paul-3
 

He was asked a direct question about LSD, and he answered honestly
I tried to think of something powerful and moving… and failed.  "You were given a choice between war and dishonor - you chose dishonor, and you shall have war" - Winston Churchill
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mr. Sun king coming together said:

DoctorRobert said:

mr. Sun king coming together said:

MeanMrs.Mustard said:

mr. Sun king coming together said:

Paul wouldn't do it because he actually uses his brain about decisions 


Um...

 

And John doesn't?

Remember, John's brain works differently from normal peoples' brains. 


John made rash decisions like this whereas Paul would always consider all his options in situations such as it.
 

Such as Paul's decision to tell the media he had taken LSD, despite being the last Beatle to take it? a-hard-days-night-paul-3

 


He was asked a direct question about LSD, and he answered honestly
 

Of course, as a famous person it is his duty to answer every question the media asks with honesty. How silly of me.
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20 November 2010
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As the person he is, he felt obligated to answer the question honestly. Just because all others rockers lie, Paul Actually has an ounce of integrity so he honestly answered

I tried to think of something powerful and moving… and failed.  "You were given a choice between war and dishonor - you chose dishonor, and you shall have war" - Winston Churchill
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mr. Sun king coming together said:

As the person he is, he felt obligated to answer the question honestly. Just because all others rockers lie, Paul Actually has an ounce of integrity so he honestly answered


I think the majority of the time when a celebrity is asked a slightly risky question by the media, they tend to not answer it.
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That's a 21st century observation though. If you look at some of The Beatles' interviews in the 1960s, beyond the boring press conferences ("When are you getting your hair cut?" etc), they were often quite candid and revealing. Take a look at the Hunter Davies book or Michael Braun's Love Me Do for examples in book form, where they'd freely discuss sex/drugs.

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21 November 2010
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Joe said:

That's a 21st century observation though. If you look at some of The Beatles' interviews in the 1960s, beyond the boring press conferences ("When are you getting your hair cut?" etc), they were often quite candid and revealing. Take a look at the Hunter Davies book or Michael Braun's Love Me Do for examples in book form, where they'd freely discuss sex/drugs.


Well, I guess that was the naive, free-spirited attitude of the 60's.
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22 November 2010
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mr. Sun king coming together said:

John made rash decisions like this, whereas Paul would always consider all his options in situations.
 


I wouldn't say the decision to return his MBE was rash. Even though he included "and against 'Cold Turkey' slipping down the charts" as a reason he turned in his MBE, I'm sure he thought it through and decided he didn't want to be decorated by a country who had policies he opposed. 

And I'm not sure one could really say that Paul "always considers all his options." 

Remember, we shouldn't stereotype Paul or John, or anyone. They're people too. People aren't all of a piece. That's why we have bank robbers who order pizza for those they're holding hostage -- and then pay the delivery boy. The tendency of people to make generalizations about celebrities and assume they're not completely human, that they're somehow different, more predictable and all tied up in a package, is what led Mark David Chapman to shoot John. He said himself that after he killed John, he realized that he had viewed him as a piece of cardboard on an album cover, and that he suddenly understood that John was a living, breathing person who had a life he had just extinguished. 

Bottom line: John wasn't always the rash, rough rocker. And Paul wasn't always the cerebral, focused pretty-boy. 

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23 November 2010
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1. Lying or refusing to answer a risky question is not new, it has been around since old Hollywood circa 1930s and 1940s and Paul, John and all of them have used it. Paul answered the question because he just seemed to be in the mood to answer it; it wasn't wrong or right it is just what is.

2. John giving it back nor Paul keeping his is a bad thing, if John really did return the medal as a protest against war I applaud him. And if Paul wanted to keep his good for him; he is Paul and he does what he feels is best for him. Then there is also the possibility that Paul just lost it and couldn't return it. a-hard-days-night-paul-11

3. Could the medal be given to one of John's sons? Most likely Julian because he was born and raised in England and Sean, I believe, is considered British because his father was. Im just saying if it is laying around collecting dust why not do something useful with it.

24 November 2010
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What the hell? As far as I can remember, John was doubtful about recieving the MBE, that's for starters.

He accepted it, yes. But remember this: Johnny had a acute authority-phobia (his aunt, every teacher he had, Brian Epstein), so it's no surprise he would return it eventually.

And something he didn't like about his country is the class system, with its titles and honours (I swear that I read about that). It's not a matter of being rational or not.

And he was a peace propagandist, don't forget it. And this in particular wasn't the boldest public campaign he was into.

 

Yeah, Paul is a knight, but who has his ugly face in a goddamn coin?blue-meanie

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24 November 2010
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MeanMrs.Mustard said:

mr. Sun king coming together said:

John made rash decisions like this, whereas Paul would always consider all his options in situations.
 


I wouldn't say the decision to return his MBE was rash.

Neither would I. According to what I've read, he actually considered doing it for 2 years before actually going through with it. If I'm not mistaken, I'm pretty sure he gave it to Aunt Mimi and had to retrieve it from her in order to send it back to the queen. If that is true, it sounds premeditated, not rash.

For more on the actual act of returning it, see post # 341 of this thread.  

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