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4 January 2013
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parlance said

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he did say many times that it was the UK press's "fault" they started doing heroin (which I think is a bunch of BS)

Wait, what? Any links? That's amazing.

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It's in the Lennon Remembers Rolling Stone interview from 1970, IIRC...something to the effect that they started doing it because of "all of the pain" from the press slagging Yoko. I'll see if I can dig up the quote.

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29 January 2013
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I'm on my second go round with the book. Annoying me first time around was the lack of what John was replying to, and the light that other half of the conversation might have had on his responses, but this time round it's the silly mistakes annoying me. Hunter's usually pretty good, but there are errors in here that just have you shaking your head when you notice them.

Two examples.

Page 16, end of the "Brief Biography of John Lennon" chapter, is a full-page picture of John at the mic which by the look of him was taken in 1962, picture captioned on page 17, John at the microphone in his early Quarrymen days - no way! Nobody looking at that who has some knowledge of The Beatles would think they were looking at Quarrymen John and not Beatle John.

Even worse, jumping up to page 228 (I could have gone earlier but this one is so obviously wrong in the way Hunter describes it). The chapter is "1971" and it's a postcard to Julian (reference Letter 156). The postcard used is the Imagine-Ram parody, which would also point to it being 1971. However Hunter admits that occasionally he's not entirely strict with the chronological order, which might explain the problem I'm about to highlight, but in his description Hunter clearly places it in 1971. "Julian, being only eight, did not appreciate the underlying message..." My problem with this? The postcard is signed "John Yoko Sean"! Was John really including Sean in his sign-off four years before he was born?!!! The key dating evidence ignored! The earliest the postcard can be, because of it's content, is late summer 1976. The very earliest.

Hunter talks about how hard it was to convince Yoko to allow him to do the book, you'd think he wouldn't have allowed such basic errors to make it to the published work. It's not hard to realise that if John's including Sean in the signature, it can't be before October 1975, and that Julian would have been at least thirteen.

blue-meanie stupid mistakes from those who should know better annoy me!

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29 January 2013
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There will be errors in every beatles book out there if you look hard enough for them, even the offical Anthology. Even that Lewinsohn tome thats coming out will have some errors despite taking an age to get released. Some are annoying, some you overlook. An offical pack of Beatles Playing Cards dated the Revolution promo as 1966.

I started out reading the Lennon Letters and enjoyed it but dont find a lot of time to read so its been added to the evergrowing tower of 'to be read but probably never will'. The last Beatles book i couldnt put down was You Never Give Me Your Money and the next will probably be the aforementioned upcoming Lewinsohn release - tho it'll probably kill me.

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parlance said

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And Davies bio does have some errors (I still like the book), but he also had the manuscript heavily edited and redacted by the band before he was able to publish it...in one of his forewards to the updated editions, he mentions some juicier bits that got chopped...

Yes, I'm glad the library had the latest edition. I enjoyed the book overall.

Generally, I'm forgiving of errors in books and I'll still read them (though I appreciate fan efforts to point them out for my own information). The only one I'm avoiding right now is the Spitz bio because he was so unprofessional when politely told about the errors, I just don't feel like rewarding him with time/energy and certainly not money.

Eventually I'll track down the letters book. It's low on the list of Beatle book priorities. I'm assuming there's more that's interesting about them than the vitriol that's been excerpted?

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I'm glad to see someone else who hates that Spitz bio as much as I do. Loaded with errors, and he was/is a massive arsehole when presented with all of the errors. And not all of them are even errors only a hardcore fan could pick out...my mum who is an original Beatles fan from the 60s but is by no means a diehard like I am was even able to pick many of the goofs out. If the casual/commited fan can find them, you've done a bad job. And he's not even a Beatles fan, he does these drive-by bios on loads of other artists (IIRC his Dylan bio was similarly pilloried).

And Joe, I agree that the print version is typically better...I guess what I forgot to say is that the book is not interesting enough in its own right for me to bother ;-)

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I agree mja that its a really idiotic mistake by Hunter, if i had gotten that far it would probably have been thrown across the room in disgust.

A google search brings up this 2005 Beatles News article that talks about the errors in Spitz's bio.

One book i despise due to incredibly stupid mistakes is Bill Harry's Beatles Encyclopedia. How can you omit Penny Lane from the Blue Album tracklist?! He's updating and expanding it for a future release so hopefully someone will sit him down and say correct this, this, this, this, this, this, this, this, this, this, this, this, this, this, this, this, this, this, this, this, this, this, this, this, this, this, this, this, this, this, this, this, this, this, this, this, this, this, this, this, this, this, this, this, this, this, this, this, this, this, this, this, this, this, this, this, this, this, this, this, this, this, this, this, this, this, this, this, this, this, this, this, this, this, this, this, this, this, this, this, this, this, this, this, this, this, this, this, this, this, this, this, this, this, this, this, this, this and this and then we'll consider publishing it. They werent corrected in a later, smaller sized version i also have for some daft reason.

And if he could add George's version of how Dont Both Me came about that would be great instead of only noting his recollection that he was the one who pestered George to start writing. I wouldnt mind if both were in but dont neglect what the author says.ahdn_george_05

 

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