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The John Lennon Letters
9 October 2012
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This looks so good ive ordered it from asda which is selling it for £12 (less than half price), its a load of letters and correspondents from John throughout his life. Sounds fascinating.

The MMT dvd box set will wait till christmas, its only 2 months away, ive recently seen the film and can watch the bonus features when theyre uploaded on youtube in 3 days time. I might even see if folks are willing to do what happened with the stereo and mono boxes.

And i'll rob a bank for the vinyl thats coming out. People hate banks at the moment so i doubt the sentence will be that long.

"Well, probably we'll sell less records, less people'll go to see the film, we'll write less songs, and we'll all die of failure" (John Lennon 8/64)
13 October 2012
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Got this in the post today and its gorgeous. Nearly 300 letters or notes and it gives a fascinating rarely seen glimpse of John and some of the pics are lovely. Heartbreaking to see one of the last autographs John gave but there are a ton of other things as well. Will be a delight to read thru it.

 

Spent far too much money on beatles things lately after being so good before.

"Well, probably we'll sell less records, less people'll go to see the film, we'll write less songs, and we'll all die of failure" (John Lennon 8/64)
13 October 2012
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meanmistermustard said
 

Spent far too much money on beatles things lately after being so good before.

Haha too much?  I know that feeling….I need more books though and I think that this will be my next purchase.  Would you suggest it?

13 October 2012
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Definately. Have only gotten to the first chapter, there is a bit of background to how and why the book exists and a brief, but interesting, bio of John and his family up til 1960 when the letters become more frequent and available to collect, but its the first book in a while i really want to keep reading.

Should add that by letters the author Hunter Davies (he who wrote the '68 official beatles biography) has been generic and has used it to mean memos, notes etc but there 285 along with many of Johns doodlings and you do get to see the originals along with background details, context etc.

"Well, probably we'll sell less records, less people'll go to see the film, we'll write less songs, and we'll all die of failure" (John Lennon 8/64)
14 October 2012
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Sounds good. Something else to go on the Christmas list.

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15 November 2012
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Has anyone got hold of it yet?

I spent about 3 hours in a bookshop reading it the other day, and I was fascinated. There were so many sides to him. I think his letters to Cyn are lovely (his drawings are so cute!) and some of them reflect his please-don't-leave-me insecurities which are evident in his songs.

Its also very interesting to see John's letters to/about Stu as well, as the magazines he made as kid and the funny wordplays he used in letters throughout his life .

But some of the letters to/about Paul/Linda are so bitter and angry, and downright unreasonable ("You want to meet up without Linda and Yoko? I thought that you would understand that I am JohnandYoko!"- I paraphrased that a bit, as I don't have the book with me), and the things he says about how much he didn't like touring and that the Beatles were all fake…it makes me really sad. If Lennon himself said all these things about the Beatles and to Paul, where does that leave us?

 

Does anybody else have any thoughts?

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16 November 2012
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I´ve got it and although it´s an enjoyable read – very, it´s also sad reading some of the letters, including one to Stu and almost all of the ones written to Paul. I am proceding with care because as much as I love John, I´m worried that my view of him will change slightly after finishing the book, and I don´t want that to happen. I know he was an amazing man, a genius, but I don´t know…. there were many sides to him, I think. Loving it though, the best documented, researched and compiled books I have ever read.

''We're just knocked out. We heard about the sell out. You gotta get an album out, you owe it to the people. We're so happy we can hardly count.''

2 January 2013
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Isn't it about the love affair that went wrong? One saying everything was great and feeling the hurt, the other saying everything was wrong and feeling the hurt? John was always hitting out when he found it difficult to express his love and loss, and fear of loss. Only problem to me with the book is that it just gives one side of the conversation. It'd be nice to see the letters he was responding to in many cases. Especially the Paul letters and the letters from family members.

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2 January 2013
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The letters that he wrote to Cynthia were so cute, especially the Christmas card from 1958. I wish the book had more letters that he wrote to her.

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2 January 2013
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fabfouremily said
I´ve got it and although it´s an enjoyable read – very, it´s also sad reading some of the letters, including one to Stu and almost all of the ones written to Paul. I am proceding with care because as much as I love John, I´m worried that my view of him will change slightly after finishing the book, and I don´t want that to happen. I know he was an amazing man, a genius, but I don´t know…. there were many sides to him, I think. Loving it though, the best documented, researched and compiled books I have ever read.

Trouble with the Lennon McCartney exchanges have to be put into context. Found this interesting with both sides of the argument

http://www.beatlesinterviews.o…..atles.html

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2 January 2013
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Trouble with the Lennon McCartney exchanges have to be put into context. Found this interesting with both sides of the argument

http://www.beatlesinterviews.o…..atles.html

I think there's a draft of that letter in the Lennon Letters…I think its so sad that they were like that with each other. I feel worse for Paul because the things John says about him- in that letter, in interviews and in How Do You Sleep- are awful, like having acid chucked at you. I feel angry that John wouldn't empathise with Paul, but then again he must've felt pretty betrayed when Paul sued him, George and Ringo.

Its so sad that such a wonderful friendship ended so bitterly :(  

"I don't think we were actually swimming, as it were, with shirts on, 'cos we always wear overcoats when we're swimming,"-

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2 January 2013
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^they had actually reconciled quite a lot and there were several aborted attempts at working together on something, anything, up until John's death (all of which were thwarted by Yoko). Still, the fact that there wasn't any true closure between he and Paul before his death is the truly sad thing.

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4 January 2013
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This is slighty off-topic, sorry.

One of the things that upsets me most about the whole Beatles story etc. is that John never returned to Liverpool, the fact that he fell out with Paul saddends me too but he never returned home and that little fact seems overlooked sometimes. It´s like his years in England were now just a chapter in his life that he didn´t want to return to (at least for a little while) and I don´t like to think of them as just that.

Apologies, I´m rambling a bit.

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4 January 2013
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I dont think John didnt want return to England, more he liked life in America as he could get about with very little hassle from ordinary folk, only having to give an autograph occassionally, say hi or pose for a quick picture. Obviously the US Authorities tried to boot John out and thats why he couldnt return – fear of never getting back in – and then Sean was born. Tho if he went to Japan why not England? 

I believe the stories that he was coming back in '81 more than the stories of getting on the road and doing She Loves You, mainly because Mimi was over here. I hate thinking of that, that he had so many plans and never got to carry them thru. Shit time was December 8th and 1 crazy asshole with a gun.

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4 January 2013
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He also was very angry at the UK for how the public and press treated Yoko (rightfully so, IMO, but still…)

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4 January 2013
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Didnt the US press also treat them crapply? Probably wrong but i have a memory of John saying how great it was being in Canada as they both got such a great reception from the press – that would have been in '69 around the time of the Bed Ins.

Actually thinking about it John might not have gotten in because of the '68 drug bust and thats why he didnt go to the US. Tho maybe the press still gave him hassle. But then how did they get in in the early 70's? Uck – its all scrambled in my head – I DONT KNOW!!!

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4 January 2013
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Well, yes, the US press wasn't much better, but he did say many times that it was the UK press's "fault" they started doing heroin (which I think is a bunch of BS) and why they left Britain. And you're right about the Canada thing, especially becase the US authorities delayed on letting him for the '68 bust.

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4 January 2013
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DrBeatle said
he did say many times that it was the UK press's "fault" they started doing heroin (which I think is a bunch of BS)

Wait, what? Any links? That's amazing.

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4 January 2013
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Didn't John have a favorite aunt he loved and he visited like every year (or even more often)?  I remember seeing her interviewed and she said John would visit her and confide all his feelings to her and act like a little boy around her (like she was his "true mother").  I believe she lived (and maybe still lives) in England somewhere…?

 

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Funny Paper said
Didn't John have a favorite aunt he loved and he visited like every year (or even more often)?  I remember seeing her interviewed and she said John would visit her and confide all his feelings to her and act like a little boy around her (like she was his "true mother").  I believe she lived (and maybe still lives) in England somewhere…?

 

 

All of his aunt's are dead far as I know, but this might be his aunt Mater who lived in Scotland? (His cousing Stanley Parkes' mum). She was one of Julia and Mimi's sister and I know he was super close with her and her husband (they ended up raising his two half-sisters after his mum died)

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