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parlance said

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We think he should have chosen a different word only because we have become sensitized to it.  Actually, I think it is a well-chosen word for the song.  It gets the point across which he is trying to make.  Women are hated, treated as objects, etc. just the same as those who are called N.

Those on the receiving end of the word were already sensitized to it.

And again, the song erases the existence of Black women.

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I don't think it erases black women. It shows that they are treated worse than white women because they suffer both racism and misogyny.

And some black people say the N word about a million times a day.

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I've also seen black people be racist toward other black people, especially ones whose skin is darker.

"This Beatles talk bores me to death." --John Lennon

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Love that performance of Woman is the N.. on the Cavett show. One of his great performances. He seemed really on, like he did when the Beatles were playing live regularly.

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28 July 2014
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While the true meaning of the word hits the mark in what John/Yoko were laying down, I do wish they had chosen a different term. Even as a white male, the song makes me a tad uncomfortable to this day. It's a shame, because I really like the song - one of my favorites on a much maligned album.

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Expert Textpert said

I've also seen black people be racist toward other black people, especially ones whose skin is darker.

I've been hearing a lot of this lately. "Light skin/dark skin." I wish people would just stop creating more distinctions and like (or dislike) people for who they are on a person by person basis, rather than outward appearance.
The only place race, ethnicity, gender, and sexual orientation should matter would be the positive cultural aspects. You should be proud of who you are but not feel better or worse than anyone else.

As for the song, I love it. It has a lot of meaning, but the music is what I really enjoy about it. It isn't something I'd play out loud though, which is a shame like Zig said, but what can you do? People have to learn to just accept everyone the way they are.

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I clicked the "Thanked" icon many times, Kite, but it only shows once.

I consider myself fortunate to have met so many people from varying races, creeds, religions, sexual preferences, what have you. The thing that I have learned most of all, however, is this. You're either a nice person or you are not - none of the above has anything to do with it. I forget to whom I PM'd this, but I always give everyone the benefit of the doubt until they prove themselves unworthy.

I appreciate all of your comments on this topic folks, but time to move it back to the coverstion about the album itself.
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OK…….I understand that you will probably delete this but I've come to the discussion late and just wanted to add my 2 pennies-worth ……….I'm thinking John chose the title, 'Woman is the Nigger of the world' to shock, to illustrate and to impact. In the context the sentiments are wholly PC. I don't think he would appreciate any revisionist sanitizing or the delicate pussy-footing around that we are seeing.

Words change meaning and their impact ebbs and wanes.  'Gee whizz' is an American substitution for that awful exclamation…. 'Jesus!'  'Awful' incidentally used to mean, 'filled with awe'……..'Wicked' can nowadays mean, 'good' and so can 'Bad'

John's choice of the word, 'nigger' was not meant to hurt, or demean. Take it in it's context and of it's time. Those with scruples over, who can use a word and who can never use it are on a slippery slope. Our language is the richest and most expressive ever devised it should not be divided on racial lines…….Most particularly when it comes to artistic expression.

 

By-the-way it may interest you to know that…….A 'scruple' used to mean a bothersome stone in your shoe…….. I suggest we stop, remove the nagging scruple and move on.  

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As I've noted before, itunes has like hundreds of song titles using the N word; but apparently, according to the PC perspective, it's okay when a certain group of people uses it, but not when one of the greatest musicians in modern history used it. 

That said, I don't find Lennon's song to be that great musically speaking.  Silly me, I tend to like music for musical reasons, not for sociopolitical propaganda purposes.

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