The Beatles Bible - Forum: John Lennon http://www.beatlesbible.com/forum/john-lennon/ Simple:Press Version 5.2.6 fabfouremily on Overall was John politically good or bad? http://www.beatlesbible.com/forum/john-lennon/overall-was-john-politically-good-or-bad/page-2/#p75021 John Lennon http://www.beatlesbible.com/forum/john-lennon/overall-was-john-politically-good-or-bad/page-2/#p75021 Yeah, same here. Have always thought that they wanted him out, not in (hence why he couldn't leave).

]]> Thu, 23 May 2013 17:33:11 +0100 HeyTrud on Overall was John politically good or bad? http://www.beatlesbible.com/forum/john-lennon/overall-was-john-politically-good-or-bad/page-2/#p74982 John Lennon http://www.beatlesbible.com/forum/john-lennon/overall-was-john-politically-good-or-bad/page-2/#p74982 Has that ever been proven?  About the US Government not letting him leave the US?  I have read a few books on John and was lead to believe (as Unknown said abovea-hard-days-night-ringo-8)  that he wouldn't leave because he knew the US would not let him return if he did.

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unknown said
Yeah, I always liked "War is over, if you want it." It's true, and it is pretty clever. I still don't think he shook up society with all his political shenanigans, though. 

There's a reason the Nixon government didn't allow John to leave the US. It's always seemed to me that as an ex-Beatle and maybe THE most significant voice in the counterculture of the time, he wielded great amounts of influence. For all the people condemning and laughing at his peace efforts, there were plenty who were on his side - remember that vast crowd of ...]]> Wed, 22 May 2013 20:17:01 +0100 fabfouremily on The John Lennon Letters http://www.beatlesbible.com/forum/john-lennon/the-john-lennon-letters/page-3/#p74931 John Lennon http://www.beatlesbible.com/forum/john-lennon/the-john-lennon-letters/page-3/#p74931 Finally finished it this morning! Feel a bit bad that it took me so long, usually I finish any music, and particularly Beatles, book in a few days, not 7 months.

]]> Wed, 22 May 2013 17:27:33 +0100 fabfouremily on Overall was John politically good or bad? http://www.beatlesbible.com/forum/john-lennon/overall-was-john-politically-good-or-bad/#p74906 John Lennon http://www.beatlesbible.com/forum/john-lennon/overall-was-john-politically-good-or-bad/#p74906 John had some very good ideas about how he thought the world should be, and I agree with most of them. It was revolutionary at the time because no one else dared speak up, and he did. It seems to me that he was misinterpreted as a bit of a nutty guy after all the drugs in the 60s though so I don't think he had any real impact on politicians at the time. Normal people that followed his music and the whole scene at the time, yes, at least, more so. I don't know how different the world would ...]]> Wed, 22 May 2013 12:54:26 +0100 Fernando_Gongora on Overall was John politically good or bad? http://www.beatlesbible.com/forum/john-lennon/overall-was-john-politically-good-or-bad/#p74901 John Lennon http://www.beatlesbible.com/forum/john-lennon/overall-was-john-politically-good-or-bad/#p74901

kedame said
 I still hate the song Imagine.

Say what?!! paul-mccartney

]]> Wed, 22 May 2013 05:40:00 +0100 unknown on Overall was John politically good or bad? http://www.beatlesbible.com/forum/john-lennon/overall-was-john-politically-good-or-bad/#p74898 John Lennon http://www.beatlesbible.com/forum/john-lennon/overall-was-john-politically-good-or-bad/#p74898 Yeah, I always liked "War is over, if you want it." It's true, and it is pretty clever. I still don't think he shook up society with all his political shenanigans, though. 

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unknown said
The Bono thing was a joke. Did John really shake up society? What revolutionary ideas did he have?

To me, it's revolutionary to imagine peace...because I don't think anyone actually did it.  No one took it seriously.  War is over, IF YOU WANT IT.  Seriously, think about that one, and think about how easy it would actually be to stop war if everyone just decided they wanted peace.

You can argue that it won't happen, but what's important is the strength of the idea, and the possibility.

Also, I think it's admirable that John and others talked about revolution.  People ...]]> Wed, 22 May 2013 03:10:59 +0100 unknown on Overall was John politically good or bad? http://www.beatlesbible.com/forum/john-lennon/overall-was-john-politically-good-or-bad/#p74886 John Lennon http://www.beatlesbible.com/forum/john-lennon/overall-was-john-politically-good-or-bad/#p74886 The Bono thing was a joke. Did John really shake up society? What revolutionary ideas did he have?

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unknown said

Expert Textpert said
I think he was a positive political influence.  We need more people like him who are willing to stand up for what they believe, and who have the money and the ability to challenge the status quo in a way that can be heard.

Isn't that what Bono's doing?

I don't think John was any influence on anybody other than fans. Some of the things he was doing for peace were a little out there, and I would think most people dismissed all that as him being crazy. His politics were positive, since ...]]> Wed, 22 May 2013 02:58:32 +0100 unknown on Overall was John politically good or bad? http://www.beatlesbible.com/forum/john-lennon/overall-was-john-politically-good-or-bad/#p74882 John Lennon http://www.beatlesbible.com/forum/john-lennon/overall-was-john-politically-good-or-bad/#p74882

Expert Textpert said
I think he was a positive political influence.  We need more people like him who are willing to stand up for what they believe, and who have the money and the ability to challenge the status quo in a way that can be heard.

Isn't that what Bono's doing?

I don't think John was any influence on anybody other than fans. Some of the things he was doing for peace were a little out there, and I would think most people dismissed all that as him being crazy. His politics were positive, since he was all for peace ...]]> Wed, 22 May 2013 02:53:17 +0100 Expert Textpert on Overall was John politically good or bad? http://www.beatlesbible.com/forum/john-lennon/overall-was-john-politically-good-or-bad/#p74873 John Lennon http://www.beatlesbible.com/forum/john-lennon/overall-was-john-politically-good-or-bad/#p74873 I think he was a positive political influence.  We need more people like him who are willing to stand up for what they believe, and who have the money and the ability to challenge the status quo in a way that can be heard.

]]> Wed, 22 May 2013 02:30:20 +0100 Funny Paper on Why isn't there a article in the History section about the Dick Cavett Show with John??? http://www.beatlesbible.com/forum/john-lennon/why-isnt-there-a-article-in-the-history-section-about-the-dick-cavett-show-with-john/#p74778 John Lennon http://www.beatlesbible.com/forum/john-lennon/why-isnt-there-a-article-in-the-history-section-about-the-dick-cavett-show-with-john/#p74778 That's ok Joe, I inferred someone created this topic.  I'd add the Tom Snyder interview of John and Yoko, during which Tom made a comment about "those silly mop-top hairdos you guys used to have" -- and John shot back with "You mean like what you've got now?", causing Tom to roar in laughter.

]]> Mon, 20 May 2013 21:50:56 +0100 Joe on Why isn't there a article in the History section about the Dick Cavett Show with John??? http://www.beatlesbible.com/forum/john-lennon/why-isnt-there-a-article-in-the-history-section-about-the-dick-cavett-show-with-john/#p74773 John Lennon http://www.beatlesbible.com/forum/john-lennon/why-isnt-there-a-article-in-the-history-section-about-the-dick-cavett-show-with-john/#p74773 Oh. This thread makes no sense as the original poster deleted their message. So it looks like I'm having a random rant :(

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