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Richard Nixon and the murder of John Lennon
6 April 2011
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Bush invaded a country that didn't to anything. And lied. And had millions of scandals, and failed.

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6 April 2011
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Alright, well we should probably get off the topic of government now, because I don't think it'll go too well if we don't.

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6 April 2011
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Chapman wasn't sane. He came from a broken family, and then killed a man. He was mentally insane, regardless of the ruling at the trial. 100% sure. Sorry conpricacy theorists, this one doesn't fly (and I'm NOT someone who instantly decries theories as crazy)

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6 April 2011
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Well Carter did a lot of things for our environment so I like him. (But I also knew someones that was really good friends with him, so I'm a tad bit biased.) But really I can't remember a good president since JFK. Ah, Camelot looked like such a good presidency to live under. Anyway off the subject of politics, I get enough of it in Government.

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23 April 2011
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I know that this thread might have been settled…and that no one will probably respond…and that I haven't read the whole thread, and probably don't understand the topic all that well.

It has been said that the government really did keep tabs on John Lennon, but wouldn't it have been a LOT easier to deport Lennon rather than have him be killed?

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23 April 2011
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Nope. They tried in the early 1970's and he fought it like hell. It was a painless way to get rid of him, at least from the eyes of the CIA. That is, if the conspiracy is true.

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23 April 2011
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I don't think it is. Chapman really was crazy. If the government was behind it, it would have been a lot more…stealthy, I guess. Chapman probably wouldn't be in prison, or just would be in some protection program.

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24 April 2011
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Well let's just run with the conspiracy for a second, even though there is no basis and I'll just be speculating. The point behind every major assassination is that there is one "lone nut" who gets all the blame for the murder, whether it be Mark David Chapman, Lee Harvey Oswald (JFK), Sirhan Sirhan (Robert Kennedy), James Earl Ray (Martin Luther King), Timothy McVeigh (Oklahoma City) or others. So this lone nut gets all the blame and we're supposed to ignore certain facts and eyewitness testimony that would put the lone nut theory in jeopardy, like the fact that there's no way that Oswald could have fired that many shots, or the multiple eyewitness testimonies that said Sirhan Sirhan was with two other people at the time of the assassination, or the eyewitnesses who saw another man with McVeigh just before the explosion at OKC took place.

With Chapman, we're supposed to ignore the fact that he was supposedly standing in front of John and yet bullets hit the glass to the side of John. That fact is indisputable, so you have a choice to make, either a) Chapman is just a really, really bad shot or b) perhaps someone else fired the fatal shots. I'm not going to tell you what to think, but it's those sort of unexplained things that always seem to happen that fuel "conspiracy theorists."

When CIA Director Allen Dulles was asked why there were so many inconsistencies in the Warren Report (the final report on the investigation of the JFK murder) he reportedly said that the "American people don't read." So this is why the lone nut is ESSENTIAL to getting the public to believe in whatever story someone is selling to us because most Americans don't read and flat out don't really care about investigating these events. It's easy to blame a lone nut because it requires no effort, look at how many people have said Chapman was crazy when the freaking judge at his trial said that he wasn't crazy.

I don't know, I feel like this is almost a waste of time posting things like this, but I would urge anyone interested in really seeing what happened to read a few books and see if the facts add up to you. It's quite easy to assume that Chapman was the lone nut, but maybe, that's what they want us to think so it wouldn't hurt to see for yourself.

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24 April 2011
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Well, does it really matter if Chapman acted alone or if he was put up to it? Making up theories to "prove" that Chapman wasn't alone won't bring John back. 

If I seem to act unkind, it's only me, it's not my mind that is confusing things.

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Perhaps it won't bring John back, but I think finding out exactly what happened matters quite a bit. There are just too many loose ends for me to dismiss the conspiracy theory and people are still coming out with books on the subject (John Lennon : the life, times and assassination) so clearly someone still cares about getting the whole truth out.

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MeanMrsMustard said:

Well, does it really matter if Chapman acted alone or if he was put up to it? Making up theories to "prove" that Chapman wasn't alone won't bring John back. 

No, of course it won't. But if that were the case, that MDC did not act alone, that someone told him to do this, we'd have to find out why. We'd especially want to find out why someone would want John Lennon, who at the end of the day was just a musician with an opinion, dead. It's scary to think that someone way up high said we need this guy silenced permanently.

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The release of Lennon's autopsy in 2004 suggests that Chapman was just a patsy, like Oswald. All four of the entry wounds were on the wrong side of the body for Chapman to be the killer: http://www.jfkmontreal.com/joh…..anding.htm

The BBC made an excellent documentary about the extensive role US intelligence played in John Lennon's life (and death). They played it here in New Zealand for the 30th anniversary. I doubt if it got air time in the US. It was the first time I had heard Yoko speak out about the assassination. I was astonished to learn of the number of assassination attempts she experienced (starting the day after John was killed). Even more ominous were all the break-ins she experienced to her apartment at the Dakota Hotel. She talks about John's personal stuff being stolen – letters, his diary. The diary was later put back with obvious forgeries in it. She talks about a letter John got from Chapman a month before the murder, where the date was altered and put back in the apartment. All the break-ins, assassination attempts against his mom clearly took a toll on Sean Lennon. Who is utterly convinced the US government killed his dad. I first became aware of the government role in Lennon's assassination in 1987, owing to my own close encounter with US intelligence.

I write about this in my recent memoir THE MOST REVOLUTIONARY ACT: MEMOIR OF AN AMERICAN REFUGEE (www.stuartbramhall.com). I currently live in exile in New Zealand.

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Right on Stuart, I hope everything works out for you. Keep fighting the good fight.
Not only were the bullets on the wrong side of the body, the four shots that hit Johh were all executed with pinpoint accuracy, kind of strange for someone with absolutely no documented training. Except for the one shot that missed John and broke the glass which would, again, suggest that someone else fired the shots.
There's just too much here, there's too much wrong with the official story.

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MeanMrsMustard said:

Well, does it really matter if Chapman acted alone or if he was put up to it? Making up theories to "prove" that Chapman wasn't alone won't bring John back. 

But it will explain why he was killed, and it can be used to show that we need to get rid of the culture and attitude that rules the US.

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Right on Stuart, I hope everything works out for you. Keep fighting the good fight.
Not only were the bullets on the wrong side of the body, the four shots that hit John were all executed with pinpoint accuracy, kind of strange for someone with absolutely no documented training. Except for the one shot that missed John and broke the glass which would, again, suggest that someone else fired the shots.
There's just too much here, there's too much wrong with the official story.

Nut wouldn't someone have seen the other shooter? Too many holes in both versions of the death.

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I was just wondering, but is Canada a part of Great Briton and the US and is Mexico part fo the US also, or is it just the fifty states and Puorto Rico or whatever?!

 

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Canada is an independent country, that WAS part of Great Britain. Mexico is to the south of The US, but is also its own country.

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25 April 2011
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I'm not sure I understand your comment Mr. Sun King, would the other shooter have been a nut? I have no idea because no one has come forward and taken the blame other than Chapman. That would be pure speculation with absolutely no basis and I think it would be irresponsible to put the blame on someone. That's beside the point though, if it is agreed that Chapman was not the one who fired the shots, it would be assumed that something else did indeed happen and that's all that really matters. To say that the CIA was responsible, as Sean did, just isn't very smart and no one took him seriously because there is absolutely no way in hell that could be proven.

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25 April 2011
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My point was someone would have seen the shooter, if it was someone other than Chapman, which I still need to be convinced of. But I do believe that Chapman wasn't acting on his own accord.

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25 April 2011
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StrawberryLakiesha said:

I was just wondering, but is Canada a part of Great Briton and the US and is Mexico part fo the US also, or is it just the fifty states and Puorto Rico or whatever?!

 

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Nop. Mexico was a colony of Spain and we just celebrated our 200th anniversary of the Independence. The thing is that Mexico, Canada and US make North America, but since US is also called North America, well some people get confused. Actually the 3 countries have a trade called "North America Free Trade Agreement" NAFTA.

 

Puerto Rico is a unincorporated state of US.

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StrawberryLakiesha said:

I was just wondering, but is Canada a part of Great Briton and the US and is Mexico part fo the US also, or is it just the fifty states and Puorto Rico or whatever?!

 

As far as I know, that's it for now.

When I hear some people say that they live in America, they MIGHT be referring to the US more than anything.

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