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Richard Nixon and the murder of John Lennon
26 July 2010
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MeanMrs.Mustard said:

That's a job for Dr. Frankenstein!


 

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26 July 2010
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alan said:

Chapman was a patsy set up for the hit by the CIA's MK-Ultra
program.  Why?  Because Lennon was due to win his U.S.
citizenship a few months later


 

Not that the rest of this drivel isn't nonsensical enough by itself, but didn't John already famously win his citizenship in 1975? The same week that Sean was born?

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26 July 2010
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The more and more I hear about this, it makes me think this is complete bullshit.

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26 July 2010
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MeanMrs.Mustard said:

Meh, but making up insane conspiracy theories won't bring John back.


Everything I've said has been a fact, so I'm definitely not making stuff up. The very fact that questions have gone unanswered means there should have been an investigation, there's no way around it. I don't blame the NYPD for not investigating because Mark admitted his guilt and they wanted to rid themselves of the situation as soon as possible, but if there are lingering questions about the murder of one of the greatest men of his time then I'm terribly sorry if I want a few answers.

But there is no moving forward, there's nowhere to go with this and John is dead. 

It's all about what you believe, either an apparently sane man was driven to his insanity by reading a book or a sane man was brainwashed into killing John Lennon by the CIA, using the Catcher in the Rye as his trigger. Both theories sound pretty ridiculous to me, but one of the two has to be correct.

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26 July 2010
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vonbontee said:

alan said:

Chapman was a patsy set up for the hit by the CIA's MK-Ultra

program.  Why?  Because Lennon was due to win his U.S.

citizenship a few months later


 

Not that the rest of this drivel isn't nonsensical enough by itself, but didn't John already famously win his citizenship in 1975? The same week that Sean was born?


He attained his green card in 76, but that's different from actual US citizenship. He would have gained citizenship in 81.
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26 July 2010
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MrBig said:

The more and more I hear about this, it makes me think this is complete bull****.


Yes. 

If I seem to act unkind, it's only me, it's not my mind that is confusing things.

26 July 2010
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MrBig said:

The more and more I hear about this, it makes me think this is complete bullshit.


 

The whole thing is complete bullshit, no matter which side you're on. Neither explanation makes any sense, and that's why the biggest piece of bullshit is that there was no investigation.

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26 July 2010
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Well, I mean they had a confession & eyewitnesses - wouldn't that pretty much wrap it up? 

Aside from conducting a psychological evaluation to determine whether or not insanity was a factor, I mean.

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27 July 2010
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Von Bontee said:

Well, I mean they had a confession & eyewitnesses - wouldn't that pretty much wrap it up? 

Aside from conducting a psychological evaluation to determine whether or not insanity was a factor, I mean.


The simple fact is that if the evidence is looked at, it does not add up. Mark's claim that the Catcher in the Rye caused him to murder John Lennon would clearly make him insane. To be driven to murder a fellow man by a book is not sane behavior. And yet on the day Mark was pleading guilty, the judge completely ruled on the spot that Mark was not insane. This is in spite of all sorts of different psychological evaluations that the judge had in his possession. Mark represented himself enough to the judge to "claim his guilt" so he clearly is not insane. No one from his past ever spoke of Mark's insanity, he had a wife and worked overseas and with refugees from Vietnam when he was with the YMCA. 

 But what would his motivation be if he isn't insane? I think that in itself would be worth investigating.

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27 July 2010
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MrBig said:

The more and more I hear about this, it makes me think this is complete bullshit.


 

Trust me.  It is.

27 July 2010
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I know right?

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27 July 2010
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The world is messed up. Someone should at least try to do something.

27 July 2010
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The CREeK said:

The world is messed up. Someone should at least try to do something.


Obam- eh, nvm. Obama's not really doing anything.
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27 July 2010
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MrBig said:

The CREeK said:

The world is messed up. Someone should at least try to do something.


Obam- eh, nvm. Obama's not really doing anything.

 

That's mainly congress causing the nothingness. Let's not get started on this.

27 July 2010
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The CREeK said:

MrBig said:

The CREeK said:

The world is messed up. Someone should at least try to do something.


Obam- eh, nvm. Obama's not really doing anything.
 

 

That's mainly congress causing the nothingness. Let's not get started on this.


Well yeah I agree with both of that.
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28 July 2010
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GniknuS said:

 

He attained his green card in 76, but that's different from actual US citizenship. He would have gained citizenship in 81.


 And here is the aforementioned Green Card...

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Von Bontee said:

And didn't Albert Goldman (in his offensive-in-so-many-ways Lennon bio) attempt to hint that Yoko Ono was somehow behind Paul's Japanese pot bust? (Or did I dream that one?)

He did write that, but he`s not the only one. Yoko Probably did tip off her cousin that Paul had Pot.

Von, That`s the best way to describe Lives of Lennon, and This idea he was sent to be killed is CRAZY


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Also, Nixon was useless at this point. It would have had to have been Jimmy Carter, A Beatles and Lennon fan, or Ronald Reagan, President-Elect, who seemed to respect Lennon.

I tried to think of something powerful and moving… and failed.  "You were given a choice between war and dishonor - you chose dishonor, and you shall have war" - Winston Churchill
13 February 2011
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I can't remember the whole thing unfortunately, but I read on some conspiracy-theory website that they somehow tied in Richard Nixon to John Lennon's death at the end of 1980 because I guess George Bush was working as head of the CIA under Nixon and was VP under Reagan.

The main point of the article, to me, sounded mainly like "Republicans are bad," though, like they wanted to make that point and wrangled John Lennon's death to make a point. 

I'd like to think this theory is complete garbage because the idea of a *government* wanting to hunt down someone who is basically a *rock star with an opinion* is completely sad. He had a strong and powerful opinion, but at the end of the day, that's all it was. Nothing to be killed over, especially if it was sponsored through the government.

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13 February 2011
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Sure, it's easier to assume that there is no conspiracy, but when the evidence is really looked at it leads to a grim picture. I don't think anyone is postulating a theory, 'John was killed because of X', but when you look at other artists and journalists who have had mysterious deaths over the years for whatever reason, the choice is either to believe that these things are completely unrelated and have nothing to do with one another, or maybe to believe that something is behind all of this. I'm certainly not saying those damn Republicans or whatever because that's no more than a red herring meant to divert our attention and cause senseless arguments, but I also don't think it's fair just to dismiss any logical argument because it's seen as a "conspiracy" and therefore merits no value. But there is a new book coming out called John Lennon: Life, Times & Assassination that hopefully will shed some new light on parts of the murder that are still a mystery.

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