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1.04am
17 December 2012
OfflineHe definitely does not say "would" he says "if". If Mandela had walked out of prison and when he gave his speech called for the violent overthrow of South Africa as it stood what might have happened? But who could imagine him doing that?
9.11am

17 January 2013
Offline4.43pm

5 November 2011
OfflineRefusing to say his name doesn't make a difference. You still know what his what name is, who his is, and what he did. If he wanted fame, he got that, though I don't understand why anybody would want so many people to dislike them.
9.13pm
1 May 2011
Offlineunknown said
Refusing to say his name doesn't make a difference. You still know what his what name is, who his is, and what he did. If he wanted fame, he got that, though I don't understand why anybody would want so many people to dislike them.
He felt he was a nobody and wanted to become a somebody, thru killing John he has. His name will always be known, passed down the ages. For as long as John is highly-esteemed and remembered then Chapman will also be remembered as the man who killed him. Bad publicity in this case is better than no publicity for him.
3.27am

17 January 2013
Offline3.24am
17 December 2012
OfflineLongHairedLady said
unknown said
Refusing to say his name doesn't make a difference.Makes all the difference to me.
I'm also someone who calls him "him" or "he" unless the conversation dictates otherwise. It may not make a difference to what happened, but if he was only ever referred to as "the thing who fired the gun", if "the murderer" became how he was referred to, if that was how we chose to place him, then his name would be less carved in history than he would like.
4.31pm

17 January 2013
Offline6.30pm
14 April 2010
Offline7.20pm
17 December 2012
OfflineZig said
mja6758 said
I'm also someone who calls him "him" or "he" unless the conversation dictates otherwise.
My term is "the a_ _hole in the orange jump suit".
I can go for that. I also like the nickname he was given in his teens and hated so much, "Nemo", the Latin word meaning "no man" or "no one".
7.44pm
14 April 2010
Offlinemja6758 said
Zig said
mja6758 said
I'm also someone who calls him "him" or "he" unless the conversation dictates otherwise.
My term is "the a_ _hole in the orange jump suit".
I can go for that. I also like the nickname he was given in his teens and hated so much, "Nemo", the Latin word meaning "no man" or "no one".
How appropriate – Nemo also wears an orange jump suit.
To the fountain of perpetual mirth, Let it roll for all its worth.
8.07pm
17 December 2012
Offline4.38pm
10 March 2013
OfflineHe (Chapman) also had a copy of Catcher In The Rye by J D Salinger, in which the boy in the book, Holden Caulfield, hates 'phonies,' and was influenced heavily by it.
He was reading it when the police arrived at The Dakota, I believe.
But there is of course the famous pic of Lennon signing for a smiling Chapman, happily obliging him.. on the day of the murder.. which I always find very haunting.
9.25pm
1 November 2012
OfflinegreghumphreysART said
But there is of course the famous pic of Lennon signing for a smiling Chapman, happily obliging him.. on the day of the murder.. which I always find very haunting.
I thought I read somewhere that, although John did sign it for Chapman, Chapman felt like John had somehow slighted him in some subtle way, and that triggered a resentment in him. Of course, we also know that he had planned to kill him and had flown to NYC from Hawaii for that purpose, but you never know with schizophrenics like Chapman: had John treated him with more respect, Chapman's neurons may have reconfigured and he may have walked away and never come back.
11.10pm
10 March 2013
OfflineFunny Paper said
greghumphreysART said
But there is of course the famous pic of Lennon signing for a smiling Chapman, happily obliging him.. on the day of the murder.. which I always find very haunting.
I thought I read somewhere that, although John did sign it for Chapman, Chapman felt like John had somehow slighted him in some subtle way, and that triggered a resentment in him. Of course, we also know that he had planned to kill him and had flown to NYC from Hawaii for that purpose, but you never know with schizophrenics like Chapman: had John treated him with more respect, Chapman's neurons may have reconfigured and he may have walked away and never come back.
I appreciate what you saying, but somebody like Chapman could obtain a signature every day for 5 months with a smile, then, when given one with less of a jollity, could use that as an 'excuse' to do what he did.
I genuinely believe John was a dead man walking with Chapman, and… whenever it was going to happen… it WAS always going to happen.
Tragically.
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