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Question about John's assassination
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4 January 2013
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It was Chapman's intention to shoot Lennon from the moment he set off to New York from Hawaii. While he did express that he had moments of doubts along the way, his journey was only going to end one way. When Lennon left the Dakota that evening, he stopped and autographed Chapman's copy of Double Fantasy, photographed in the act of doing so. Chapman may well have shot him then, were there less people around. But knowing Lennon had gone out, he knew he had to return, and waited for his moment.

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Chapman believed that John was a sell out and a phony, i think it got to the point where he began believing that he was John (If i remember correctly he would spend hours listening continuously to beatle and John solo recordings over and over in the months and years up to the assassination), and also harboured resentment or anger at his "Bigger Than Jesus" statement from 1966. He was also heavily influenced by 'The Catcher in The Rye' by J D Salinger - a simple google search will more details up. Im not sure of the order of development but Chapman also wanted to become famous, he was a loner and had few friends in school or in life, and decided that one way to do so was to murder someone famous, he then wrote up a hit list of numerous stars and John was selected, one reason being lack of bodyguards. All of these brought it all to a senseless and horrific outcome.

Chapman travelled a few times from Hawaii, once bottling out of it, but was fully determined come December 1980. Im going completely from memory but i also think he told his girlfriend or wife some coded message over the phone in the days before what he was going to do but wasnt believed or understood.

 

Note: For some reason ive written out what i remember happened on the 8th December, cant explain why. It might be disturbing to some so please dont read on if you think it will to you. Apologies if you find any of this upsetting.heartapple01

 

As said above by others that night (8th December) Chapman went to the Dakota and waited for John to come out of the building heading for the recording studios with Yoko, Chapman thrust a copy of Double Fantasty at him as he passed and John signed it before heading off (a picture of this was taken and is out there as is the record which has been auctioned a few times). This was the first time they ever met. After the recording session concluded, they had been working on the track 'Walking on Thin Ice', John and Yoko were invited to a restaurant but declined and headed straight for home and Sean. They arrived at 10:50pm, got out of the car, Yoko in front and John following, Chapman called out Johns name and as John turned shot him 6 times. John was carried to a car due to the extent of his injuries and when asked if he knew who he was replied "yes". There was nothing that could have been done to save John despite the efforts by those at the scene and at the hospital.

The murder was totally premeditated and Chapman wanted to be caught, hence he remained at the scene after carrying it out reading 'The Catcher in The Rye. He was asked by someone at the scene before the police arrived if he realised what he had done and replied words to the effect of "Yes, i just shot John Lennon".

I believe most of this is right but im open to be corrected as its been a long time since i read up on it. There have been numerous books and documentaries about what happened looking at it from all angles, the only one ive ever read that goes into the background of the assassination is 'The Murder Casebook Files" which sticks to the facts and doesnt dish out opinion or take sides. I now wont read books or watch documentaries as its far too disturbing. Its horrid to type or even think about.

 

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Wow, really?! If you could go back in time to stop historic events you would stop Mark Chapman from killing John Lennon? How about the holocaust, Mao Zedong, or 911?!?! John Lennon was one person, and his death really wasn't that bad. It was tragic, yes, but bad? Not so much. He could have been brought to the hospital and gotten chest compressions and suffered for hours before he croaked, but he died pretty fast. His death was way more painful for his family, and Yoko especially for having watched it. I could be wrong, but I don't think he suffered very much.

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If you'd like a good overview, with care and understanding, about the assassination and what's known and not known, try the interview of me and one other, recently, on Dr. Jim Fetzer's eclectic radio show, The Real Deal. The archives are at http://radiofetzer.blogspot.com

The show is Dec. 7, 2012. Right-click green interviewee names.

One note: the other interviewee (in the 2nd hour) misunderstood a point I was making about the handyman the police originally suspected. Here is my reply:

What I actually meant and didn't express fully, was that Perdomo (the doorman) could have been the handler for Chapman on the scene and backup, while the handyman could have shot John closer than Perdomo and * still shot into the glass doors well, unlike the scenario they posited for Chapman. * I was suggesting he could have exited the alcove for the service elevator (across from the glass doorway entrance), walked forward and PAST John, then spun around at close range and shot BACK at John, not forward. It gives a similar trajectory to what Perdomo would have had, but closer to John.

This would mean he had not shot forward to the entrance of the tunnel, but backward toward the glass doors. The other interviewee (in the 2nd hour) thought I'd meant he'd merely walked forward.

The handyman came in as a possibility because the policeman thought he was the murderer at first, and so I was figuring out how that might have worked, maybe even better than with Perdomo, which also works better than Chapman, certainly Chapman in the final official version, where he does not move towards the glass doors. But of course, the handyman could be a total mistake by the police officer, for he'd not likely suspect Perdomo either, though Perdomo could also have been, if he was indeed also the head of the Anti-Castro Cuban killers of Operation 40.

Also see 4:07 forward in 'The Messenger' documentary (not from 1969 as poster on Youtube claims) . The Police press conference says Chapman MOVED

-- moved closer to John and shot near the glass doors. All Newspaper reports, however, have him stationary and shooting across the arch tunnel they were in, shooting from Lennon's rear right, forward and a bit to Chapman's right, only 5 feet away, yet shooting through Lennon's left and *somehow into those glass doors far to Chapman's right without moving.*

The story changed from the police press conference where Chapman moves, to the official story and newspapers at the same time period as the press conference. Why? To distract from the glass doors the press conference actually does account for better. Either way, Chapman wasn't likely the shooter, but the unmoving Chapman is even less in the correct position to shoot John into those glass doors.

Perdomo OR a man passing John in the dark and spinning around at closer range (such as the handyman): either of them would be to John's left & could have done the same shots.

For a great page on the shots themselves, with a Cat-scan top view of the likely trajectories -- though tone of blog is skeptical to cynical at the end of the blog:
http://xdell.blogspot.ca/2010/.....ction.html

 

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Wow, really?! If you could go back in time to stop historic events you would stop Mark Chapman from killing
John Lennon? How about the holocaust, Mao Zedong, or 911?!?! John Lennon was one person, and his death really wasn't that bad. It was tragic, yes, but bad? Not so much. He could have been brought to the hospital and gotten chest compressions and suffered for hours before he croaked, but he died pretty fast. His death was way more painful for his family, and Yoko especially for having watched it. I could be wrong, but I don't think he suffered very much.

I said *ONE* of them. I'd also try more important ones, obviously...JFK's assassination, the rise of Hitler, Lenin/Stalin, Mao, etc. But that was just a throwaway comment I made, I don't think it's worth hijacking this thread over.

Back on topic, the conspiracy theories about John's murder are a bunch of BS. Supposedly Sean even believes the US government had his dad killed, which is pathetic if true.

 

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