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Overall was John politically good or bad?
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12 February 2014
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derek said
I'm gonna read on through this alot more but i would like to pose one question about "Imagine" that i had for years: How can we imagine there's no heaven when that's exactly what you're describing?" that is the one question i would ask John.

I'm not John, but I can tell you that he wasn't singing about heaven. He sang about a better world, about the here and now... not about some promise of a future reward.

6 September 2014
Ahhh Girl
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This may not be about good-or-bad, but it deals with John politically.


Here's a little bit from the article.

[snip]The argument over President Barack Obama's legal authority to defer deportations begins 42 years ago with a bit of hashish, a dogged lawyer and, yes, John Lennon and Yoko Ono.


Until the Lennon case, the Immigration and Naturalization Service had not acknowledged it used its own discretion in deciding whom to deport. But through the Freedom of Information Act, Wildes discovered 1,843 instances in which the INS had invoked such prosecutorial discretion as part of a secret program for "nonpriority" cases.

Once the program was revealed, the INS had no choice but to concede its existence and issued official guidance on how it would be applied. [snip]

19 November 2014

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From Examiner:

The precedent set by John Lennon's deportation fight in the mid '70s is the basis of a controversial executive order President Barack Obama is expected to issue to save many immigrants threatened with deportation, said Leon Wildes, the lawyer whose work prevented John Lennon from being deported in the 1970s, in an appearance on MSNBC's “The Last World With Lawrence O'Donnell” on Nov. 18...

“The legal precedent established in John Lennon's immigration case 42 years ago is the first legal building block that gave President Obama the authority to executive action to, in effect, grant new status to the Dreamers in June of 2012,” O’Donnell said. It was then that the president issued an order to prevent the deportation of immigrant students who didn't present a risk to national security or public safety that they could request a temporary stay and apply for work authorization.

More at the link.

I think John would have been thrilled.a-hard-days-night-john-1

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20 November 2014
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A ramification of John's political activities and peaceful philosophy was 'The Lennon Wall' in Prague …… some folk may not have heard of it.

I took the opportunity to visit the wall when I was in Prague some years back for a stag weekend….Glad I did because now it's too late.

Interestingly the owners of the wall are The sovereign order of of Malta who are taking legal action over the students that painted over the decades of artwork………..

Anyway, I just thought it would be of interest here….. 

'The Wall is Over'



20 November 2014
Ron Nasty
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@Wigwam Things have moved on since that report. The Knights of Malta have dropped criminal proceedings after talking with the art students who repainted the wall

as a commemoration of the fall of the Berlin Wall.

It does not mark the end of the Lennon Wall, just the beginning of a new phase for it in its long life. Since it began in 1981, it has constantly evolved with newer works covering older work. The original portrait of John that appeared on it following his murder hasn't been seen in decades. The Communist authorities often painted over the wall in the 80s. Another group of art students painted the wall green in 2000. It always changes. And is already beginning to fill up again... and in a year or two it's probable that what is now appearing on the new blank canvas will be buried beneath layers on layers.


 As you can see, the wall is filling up again nicely. Should you ever make it back to Prague, the Lennonova Zed will still be there - the same focus for free speech and political dissent it has been for successive generations since 1981.


"I only said we were bigger than Rod... and now there's all this!" Ron Nasty

4 December 2014
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To the overall question - he was useless. Let us be real - Lyndon Johnson had already not run for the Presidency in 1968 because of Vietnam. Nixon was going to try and pull a graceful exit regardless, and, oh yeah, the one politician John ever attached himself to - George McGovern (Sen. D-SD) - lost 49 states ion the 1972 election. The war extended 6 years beyond the singing of Give Peace A Chance outside the White House. He was unimportant.

As if it matters how a man falls down.'

'When the fall's all that's left, it matters a great deal.

4 December 2014
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I don't think that John's political doings were taken very seriously. He was just a naive hippy to most people. 

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