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Last photograph of Lennon.
5 April 2013
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The last picture was most likely the one published on the cover of one of the NY papers.

He appears to be sleeping.

He looks pretty much the way you'd expect if he were "lying in state."

Viewed that way, I don't know how disrespectful it is. Some might take comfort in knowing that he looked peaceful.

 

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5 April 2013
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mja6758 said
The UK is a very difficult country in which to have a positive view of print journalism at the moment, with the best tainted by the worst.

Fair enough.

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5 April 2013
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Into the Sky with Diamonds said
The last picture was most likely the one published on the cover of one of the NY papers.

He appears to be sleeping.

He looks pretty much the way you'd expect if he were "lying in state."

Viewed that way, I don't know how disrespectful it is. Some might take comfort in knowing that he looked peaceful.

 

I'd read it was after they'd done an autopsy? (although why they'd need to do one with such an obvious COD I'm not sure...maybe to see the extent of the damage?). He was in an (unzipped) body bag in that photo, I believe...

 

God, poor John :cry:

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5 April 2013
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DrBeatle said

Into the Sky with Diamonds said
The last picture was most likely the one published on the cover of one of the NY papers.

He appears to be sleeping.

He looks pretty much the way you'd expect if he were "lying in state."

Viewed that way, I don't know how disrespectful it is. Some might take comfort in knowing that he looked peaceful.

 

I'd read it was after they'd done an autopsy? (although why they'd need to do one with such an obvious COD I'm not sure...maybe to see the extent of the damage?). He was in an (unzipped) body bag in that photo, I believe...

 

God, poor John :cry:

It was a side-on, oddly reminiscent of the Imagine cover, and the body bag was only unzipped enough to show his face. It is not a horrific picture, just one I'd rather have seen. Ironically, my first exposure to it was via an early-evening British chat show called Wogan. Elton John went on to perform Empty Garden (Hey, Hey, Johnny) and his performance was accompanied by a series of pictures of John, and that was one of them...

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5 April 2013
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parlance said

fabfouremily said
I know they're not all the same but I think it's fair to say that the vast majority of them will stop at nothing to get their hands on ''juicy'' gossip.

 

Actually, no. The majority of photojournalists - the ones who bring you the daily news, covering breaking stories, doing portraits of ordinary newsmakers, press conferences, risking their lives in war-torn areas - are unsung heroes. They're not doing glamorous work. It's just unfortunate that the minority of paparazzi-types are the ones that stand out in your perception.

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As mja has explained quite clearly, our journalists here in the UK have been, let's say, ''up to mischief'' recently so, like many people, I don't see them in a very positive light at the moment. I understand they might not be like that in other parts of the world though. I think our press are notorious for being the worst in the world, in fact, I recall John once saying something along those lines.

 

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5 April 2013
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Whilst there are a great number of journalists in the UK who have broken the laws of common press decency (mud-racking, phone and email hacking, ignoring the facts for the sake of a story, worse spinning of a story than any politician, paying prison wardens and cops for information etc - many of whom would make more grammatical and spelling errors in an essay than a blindfolded drunken monkey at a typewrite or me), there are many who remain committed to a high standard of professionalism and do excellent investigative journalism.

Lets not forget that there were rules and laws in place to deal with phone hacking etc but were not enforced for whatever reason by those entrusted to do so.

Every newpaper has an angle and you would be insane to believe what you read in the tabloids without going elsewhere for the real facts of the story. I buy the Sun for the crossword and so naturally read thru it - it takes 5 minutes at the most, read it two days back to back and you'll easily spot hypocrisy in what it reports. I'll take the BBC any time over the newspapers.

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mja6758 said

DrBeatle said

Into the Sky with Diamonds said
The last picture was most likely the one published on the cover of one of the NY papers.

He appears to be sleeping.

He looks pretty much the way you'd expect if he were "lying in state."

Viewed that way, I don't know how disrespectful it is. Some might take comfort in knowing that he looked peaceful.

 

I'd read it was after they'd done an autopsy? (although why they'd need to do one with such an obvious COD I'm not sure...maybe to see the extent of the damage?). He was in an (unzipped) body bag in that photo, I believe...

 

God, poor John :cry:

It was a side-on, oddly reminiscent of the Imagine cover, and the body bag was only unzipped enough to show his face. It is not a horrific picture, just one I'd rather have seen. Ironically, my first exposure to it was via an early-evening British chat show called Wogan. Elton John went on to perform Empty Garden (Hey, Hey, Johnny) and his performance was accompanied by a series of pictures of John, and that was one of them...

Oh, I know that...I've seen the picture many times. It was just a very undignified thing to do to the poor fellow (or to anyone who has just passed).

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Into the Sky with Diamonds said
The last picture was most likely the one published on the cover of one of the NY papers.

He appears to be sleeping.

He looks pretty much the way you'd expect if he were "lying in state."

Viewed that way, I don't know how disrespectful it is. Some might take comfort in knowing that he looked peaceful.

 

I agree with the first part, because I saw my dad in his casket after he passed away.  It was nice to see him at peace instead of the time I had seen him before that when he was in agony (fucking cancer).  He just looked like he was sleeping, and it was nice closure.  The reason I find it disrespectful is how somebody took the picture, not being allowed to do it.  That's why I see it as a violation.  

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It was a side-on, oddly reminiscent of the Imagine cover, and the body bag was only unzipped enough to show his face. It is not a horrific picture, just one I'd rather have seen. Ironically, my first exposure to it was via an early-evening British chat show called Wogan. Elton John went on to perform Empty Garden (Hey, Hey, Johnny) and his performance was accompanied by a series of pictures of John, and that was one of them...

Did you ever see the original Woman video from 1981, in which Yoko (or whoever the director was) makes the connection clear by dissolving from that Imagine photo to the postmortem one? Unforgettable image.

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6 April 2013
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vonbontee said

It was a side-on, oddly reminiscent of the Imagine cover, and the body bag was only unzipped enough to show his face. It is not a horrific picture, just one I'd rather have seen. Ironically, my first exposure to it was via an early-evening British chat show called Wogan. Elton John went on to perform Empty Garden (Hey, Hey, Johnny) and his performance was accompanied by a series of pictures of John, and that was one of them...

Did you ever see the original Woman video from 1981, in which Yoko (or whoever the director was) makes the connection clear by dissolving from that Imagine photo to the postmortem one? Unforgettable image.

 

I saw that. It's a creepy transition.

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I relooked at the original Woman video. I more than likely did see it at the time. I think the Elton John performance, which after checking turns out to be Parkinson and not Wogan as I originally said, stuck more in my mind because the pictures interrupted the performance footage, though were probably taken (mainly) from the Woman video; Imagine cover - morgue headshot - picture of the man who shot him - newspaper cover of Lennon signing an autograph for him. Yoko - see her Season of Glass album cover - did, and still does, like to graphically make the point that John met a violent and pointless death.

I disagree with In the Sky with Diamonds' comment that the morgue photo is the last photograph of John however. I believe the last photograph of John is the Paul Goresh that I posted previously. To paraphrase the famous Elvis quote, by the time of the morgue photo, "John has left the building".

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7 April 2013
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I just remember that video because, at the time of the premiere in January (February?) of '81, Yoko alleged that it was only going to be aired once...or once in each country, anyways. I got to see it twice, a week apart, on Canadian and American TV.

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8 April 2013
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I've seen that video, too...seems like a very weird thing to put into a song with a message such as Woman, but this is Yoko we're talking about...anything to bring her more "LOOK AT MEEEEEEEEE!" attention, eh? :roll: Same thing with what she did with the Season of Glass cover, tweeting it on her Twitter account something like a dozen times within the span of a few days this past March. :roll: :roll:

 

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Mmm, I really can't see how assembling a video full of some of the last-ever John Lennon footage (mostly walking with Yoko through Central Park, I believe) and releasing it to the media as a kind of farewell tribute is supposed to be interpreted as a "look at me" gesture from Yoko. Unless you're referring to the choice of song used and finding something selfish in the selection of a song written for the woman herself. I suppose "Watching the Wheels" would've called less inadvertent attention to Yoko herself as far as that goes, if that's what you meant.

Never heard of that "Season of Glass" Twitter thing - was that a joke?? It certainly is pretty wtf if it's true. Was she commemorating the 32 years-and-change anniversary of the record's release date or something? Who knows. (But then I think everybody with a twitter account's a bit of an egotist in a way.)

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9 April 2013
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She was contributing to the post-Sandy Hook gun debate. The White House retweeted it. I see nothing wrong, as I said above, with Yoko ramming home the message as bluntly as possible, that we - and she - lost John in a pointless and bloody act that was committed by a man with mental health issues and a legally held weapon. Many more times people have died from gun violence on America's shores than in their foreign wars since we lost John. There are just those who will always say anything Yoko does is about Yoko, while ignoring what she is saying and why she is saying. Why should she be prevented from commenting on gun violence just because she is Yoko Ono? She lost someone to gun violence, didn't she? I applaud her graphic reminders to the gun lobby that the innocent pay for their right to bear arms.

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Well, when I said Yoko was calling attention to herself, it was more of a general "that's what she's always done" statement. As for the whole gun violence thing, I don't want to get into a political debate on here when we're here to discuss Beatles, so I'll agree to hold my tongue and not rebut your post, mja6758. My issue wasn't with her posting what she did...it was that she tweeted it 7 or 8 times in a row. And the White House retweeting it...they have a clear agenda so that's no surprise. If anything, that impresses me less since, in as little esteem as I hold Yoko, I hold her in higher regard than the WH right now. But that's the extent of how political I'm going to get on here.

 

Let's just remember John as he was when he was alive, shall we? :D

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