Thanks.

Von Bontee said:

It seems to me that most of John's violent episodes were exacerbated by alcohol abuse, pretty much. And I don't think explaining them is the same as excusing them.

My point exactly. He wasn't a saint (far from it), but most of know or will know someone like him.

I'm just waiting for Paul McCartney to come out and admit, "Sure, John murdered four people in Hamburg once, but he had a big heart...."

And then a geek like Sun King will say, "See what a great guy John was."

It seems to me that most of John's violent episodes were exacerbated by alcohol abuse, pretty much. And I don't think explaining them is the same as excusing them.

My point exactly. He wasn't a saint (far from it), but most of know or will know someone like him.

This very site, quoting Paul himself.

Can you show me the link?

Paul wrote 8 days a Week. Certain.

Really?

And how did you come up with this?

Everywhere I've read, John wrote it. And he sang it.

Clearly, John and Paul needed each other to keep each other in line.

The Beatles broke themselves up, perhaps John ...]]> Mon, 30 May 2011 19:31:59 +0100 http://www.beatlesbible.com/forum/john-lennon/johns-violent-streak/page-2/#p36648 John Lennon http://www.beatlesbible.com/forum/john-lennon/johns-violent-streak/page-2/#p36648 Paul wrote 8 days a Week. Certain.

1. JFK: You know that you can use multiple quotes in a single post, right?

2. John didn't break up the Beatles. The Beatles broke up the Beatles. They are amazing, but not something with a long shelf life. When you have the personalities that the Beatles had in a group, the group becomes pretty unstable. 

3. Didn't Paul write "Eight Days a Week?" I seem to vaguely remember from somewhere that it was one of the few exceptions to the "He who wrote it sang it" rule. 

1. No, I didn't.

2. John DEFINITELY broke up the Beatles and when he ...]]> Mon, 30 May 2011 19:04:25 +0100 http://www.beatlesbible.com/forum/john-lennon/johns-violent-streak/page-2/#p36645 John Lennon http://www.beatlesbible.com/forum/john-lennon/johns-violent-streak/page-2/#p36645 Thanks Zig.

I try not to be dull..Ha ha.

As for my use of the word streak, it kinda meant more a streak as in something in his DNA or character or the like.

I've recently quit defending Lennon after decades of defending him. Several of these fairly recent books have laid out what he was really like throughout much of his life. I think he turned it around toward the end, but, wow, did he have some apologizing to do!

The most nauseating aspect of many Beatles books, to me, is how so many --like Yoko, Paul--try to defend him no matter what.

Or on Abbey Road, or anything he did on Plastic Ono Band, Imagine, Double Fantasy, or anything he did after I Am The Walrus? Give me a break. I mean, I don't like all his out there songs, but I respect them for artistic merit. I don't especially like Me and My Monkey but I respect it as it shows how he was feeling at the time.

He was great from 68-70, but all I'm saying is he as GREATER from 63-68.

I wasn't into songs about how John was feeling. I wouldn't have wanted to ...]]> Mon, 30 May 2011 18:49:03 +0100 http://www.beatlesbible.com/forum/john-lennon/johns-violent-streak/page-2/#p36621 John Lennon http://www.beatlesbible.com/forum/john-lennon/johns-violent-streak/page-2/#p36621 This topic does lend itself to emotional responses no matter how you feel about it. So, I read the original question again;

What did you all think of John Lennon's violent streak, especially toward women?

As a Beatles fan, I always have a hard time explaining this stuff to others.

 

It got me to thinking about the use of the phrase violent "streak". To me, the word streak indicates two to four incidents in a row deemed to be violent. From what I have read here and elsewhere, I got the sense that violence was a pattern with John, not just a streak. If "streak" was used ...]]> Mon, 30 May 2011 13:56:01 +0100 http://www.beatlesbible.com/forum/john-lennon/johns-violent-streak/page-2/#p36593 John Lennon http://www.beatlesbible.com/forum/john-lennon/johns-violent-streak/page-2/#p36593 look at his solo career. His best 3 albums was recorded with Yoko as co-producer (DF, POB, Imagine). I mean, he made great stuff without her, but he wasn't in any way creatively inhibited by her.