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John & Yoko jam with Frank Zappa, circa 1971
20 August 2013
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Ive just googled Ron Jeremys image, he was in the adult business!!! Where do I go for a Yoko art marathon?

Based on that answer I suppose its not safe to ask what a rimshot is! Im guessing more risqué than two-virgins

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20 August 2013
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No, a rimshot is a smack on a snare drum after a bad joke…think of a scene from an old movie where some comedian onstage tells a corny joke…usually the band in back would hit a rim shot followed by a cymbal crash --> "bomp-bomp-CRASH!"

 

 

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20 August 2013
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No, there is definitely a meaning more applicable to Ron Jeremy. Here is definitely not the place though.

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20 August 2013
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Wow, did I take this topic to a place it should have never gone.

In all fairness to Ron, he has suffered from some major health issues recently, so I guess I should leave him alone…

… with the nurse.

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20 August 2013
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While I love Zappa's madly inspired song "Yellow Snow", I've seen a couple of interviews with him and I can tell he's the type of person I'd hate to have to spend even 60 seconds of my life with.  He comes off as an arrogantly anal asshole.

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20 August 2013
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All assholes are anal, be fair!

"Yellow Snow" is one of the low points of his career, really. It's like his "Yellow Submarine" or "Maxwell's Silver Hammer".

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21 August 2013
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Von Bontee said
All assholes are anal, be fair!

"Yellow Snow" is one of the low points of his career, really. It's like his "Yellow Submarine" or "Maxwell's Silver Hammer".

That's like saying "A Winter's Tale" was one of Shakespeare's low points of his career…

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OK, "one of the low points" is a bit harsh, even of most Zappa fans would agree. (Got him all kinds of attention for having an actual minor HIT SINGLE with one of the silliest songs of his career, don'tcha know.) But it deals mainly in aspects of his work that I like the least: childish humour (peepee jokes, wow!) and silly singing voices, without the sophisticated composing and jazzy improvs and hot guitars. And funny humour.

Actually I like "Yellow Snow", really, just as I like "Yellow Submarine" (and yet I dislike the colour yellow, go figure!) But few would deny that both songs are far from their creators' best works. I think my comparison is a good one.

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22 August 2013
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One of the most remarkable concerts I've ever been to – and certainly the most unique, was Zappa's Mothers in Providence, Rhode Island (early '70s – someone here will look it up).

For that concert, he also had Flo and Eddie, the main guys in the Turtles.

The entire concert (I'm guessing 1 and a half to two hours) was one long continuously varying song without interruption. And it was fantastic. Yes, regardless of his personality, Zappa was an outstanding musician.

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22 August 2013
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^that sounds like his Fillmore East 1971 album…it's with Flo and Eddie and the entire concert was one of FZ's "conceptual continuity" pieces dubbed "The Groupie Routine." It's fucking hilarious, and great music, too.

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So many Zappa fans here. He's one major artist from that era that I've never really listened to. Can someone give me some pointers for where to start?

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I'd start with his most accessible albums: Over-Nite Sensation and Apostrophe (&#39a-hard-days-night-george-10. They are almost a part 1 and 2. Great albums. And for a live taster, either Roxy and Elsewhere or Zappa in New York. For me, his best period is the 70s ('69-'79), but I like it all.

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28 August 2013
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DrBeatle said
I'd start with his most accessible albums: Over-Nite Sensation and Apostrophe (&#39a-hard-days-night-george-10. They are almost a part 1 and 2. Great albums. And for a live taster, either Roxy and Elsewhere or Zappa in New York. For me, his best period is the 70s ('69-'79), but I like it all.

 

What's your take on You Are What You Is? That's the one Zappa album (aside from Strictly Commercial) that I own, and I can still remember years ago my then-girlfriend, the daughter of a Baptist minister, listening to "Dumb All Over" for the first time and her jaw hit the floor. All she could do was mouth "Oh My God"… it was all I could do not to bust out laughing, only because her shocked reaction was priceless.

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28 August 2013
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It's not easy to make recommendations since his records covered at least 5-6 wildly different sub-genres, most of which he invented himself. A few touchstones:

Freak Out! - The Mothers' (i.e., Frank's) debut, the first (or second) double-album in rock. First disc is largely satirical takes on modern America and ten years of American pop/rock music; second disc is avant-garde studio jams and musique concrete.

We're Only In It For The Money – This one's pretty infamous – at least, the cover is. Often considered Zappa's best.

Hot Rats
– Almost totally instrumental, elaborately arranged jazz/R&B rock jams.

There's a few favourites (from 1966-1969). But it's maybe important to mention that if you investigate the man's catalogue hoping for *songs* – as in, the kind with poetic lyrics that are maybe written on the acoustic guitar, and can become well-loved standards – you're not gonna find many.

XpostYou Are What You Is is probably the last really decent Zappa album, in my opinion. I like "Dumb All Over"! Neat to hear Frank give rap a try (in 1981, right on schedule.)

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28 August 2013
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wetsroosa said

DrBeatle said
I'd start with his most accessible albums: Over-Nite Sensation and Apostrophe (&#39a-hard-days-night-george-10. They are almost a part 1 and 2. Great albums. And for a live taster, either Roxy and Elsewhere or Zappa in New York. For me, his best period is the 70s ('69-'79), but I like it all.

 

What's your take on You Are What You Is? That's the one Zappa album (aside from Strictly Commercial) that I own, and I can still remember years ago my then-girlfriend, the daughter of a Baptist minister, listening to "Dumb All Over" for the first time and her jaw hit the floor. All she could do was mouth "Oh My God"… it was all I could do not to bust out laughing, only because her shocked reaction was priceless.

Not crazy about You Are What You Is. Some good tunes but a lot of ones I don't care for. I'm really not as much a fan of his early 80s stuff…it's hit or miss. The stuff from Joe's Garage and earlier is great, and I love the guitar and live albums from the 80s (Shut Up N Play Yer Guitar, Guitar, the live ones).

 

And yes, Hot Rats would be another great one to start with.

 

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29 August 2013
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Tea and Sympathy said
I thought an artist like Zappa would have been into Yoko.  Oh well.  Do you think the animosity was a result of the business complications, or was it personal?

I think Zappa saw through her. His avant-garde stuff is actually quite complex and meticulously composed, whereas her and John's stuff always came off as "crazy for the sake of crazy" and a bit contrived. I'd take "Return of the Son of the Monster Magnet" over "Revolution 9" any day of the week.

 

Fun Fact: Zappa always said he was never really into The Beatles, but did admit that he enjoyed "Paperback Writer", "Strawberry Fields" and "I Am The Walrus". Everybody has at least one.

30 August 2013
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Tea and Sympathy said
"I thought an artist like Zappa would have been into Yoko.  Oh well."

I don't think Zappa was into anyone other than himself.

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30 August 2013
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I think Yoko would have tested the patience of the most open-minded of artists.

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Thanks for the suggestions! I'll see what I can dig out from the library at work.

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When Jerry Lee Lewis' cousin, televangelist Jimmy Swaggart, got busted with a prostitute, this became part of Zappa's live act.

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