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Jesus, Reagan and John Lennon
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http://www.foxnews.com/opinion.....g-from-us/

 

i just saw someone post this on twitter...

what do you all think about it?

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Some thoughts:
A) It's Fox News. Remember the source of what you read.
B) Where on earth is this guy getting sources? Oh wait; his mind. That first part is bullshit.
C) I don't doubt he'd have voted Reagan. Carter fucked up on Iran badly. So that's not surprising.
This is typical of Fox - take a story, spin it to show how everyone is a Teabagger at heart, and ignore facts. It's bullshit, ignore it. It means nothing.

As if it matters how a man falls down.'

'When the fall's all that's left, it matters a great deal.

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Yeah I read through that and was like o really? ^^ I agree.

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"John became antagonistic toward her, blaming her for practicing the dark arts and telling her that she couldn't see the truth because her eyes had been blinded by Satan. 

Those close to the couple sensed that the real reason she was concerned was that it threatened her control over John's life. If he became a follower of Jesus he would no longer depend on her and the occultists. During long, passionate arguments she attacked the key points of his fledgling faith."

This is definitely from a serious news outlet, right? Fox haven't started stealing stories from The Onion? Only Yoko Ono isn't a Satanist.

And lulz @ John not understanding evolution.

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I know I won't be popular but I find the story quite believable and highly probable. Serious study of the final year or so of John's life finds him on a definite spiritual seeking journey. And there are pictures of him with a cross around his neck.And I believe there is an interview of him saying he loved to watch the religious broadcasters and find some of the quite good. I know I read him asying that years ago.

I am not saying he became a Christian but it is quite likely he began to seriously investigate Christianity as well as other religious beliefs.

In addition, while I wouldn't call her a satanist, Yoko certainly was and remains an occultist.

Fox News to the side, the story rings true.

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Just to be fair, here's an interview with the man who wrote the article in question. Maybe it answers your skepticism.

http://video.foxnews.com/v/108.....on-secrets

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zerber4 said:

Just to be fair, here's an interview with the man who wrote the article in question. Maybe it answers your skepticism.

http://video.foxnews.com/v/108.....on-secrets

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Thanks. All that interview did, however, is make that guy seem even less reputable. Still bullshit.

As if it matters how a man falls down.'

'When the fall's all that's left, it matters a great deal.

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Lennon spent his adult life looking for "the answer" - and never found it (contrast that with George).

He went from one answer to the other.

I don't think you can take too seriously what he thought at any particular time.

(as for his supporting Reagan, which is totally speculative, I would guess that the odds of that hover around 0%. Reagan was to the right of Nixon, his arch-enemy. )

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I dont believe it personally. Over the years there have been hundreds and hundreds of accusation And it is fox who arent renown for their accurate reporting.

 However here are 2 demos of John singing You Saved My Soul around 1979 about tv preachers and being saved from them.

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I don't mind this story so much as I've always perceived John to be a guy interested in a little of everything, possibly a fad-ist, but more likely someone who just wanted to try various ideas out and see how they worked for him.

 

So he might have become interested in Jesus about...10 years after writing God and Imagine? I'm sure I will have different views on things like religion in 10 years time, and I'm sure I did 10 years ago.

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From the article:

"I don't believe in the evolution of fish to monkeys to men. Why aren't monkeys changing into men now?," Lennon asked. "It's absolute garbage. It's absolutely irrational garbage, as mad as the ones who believe the world was made only four thousand years ago, the fundamentalists.... I don't buy it. I've got no basis for it and no theory to offer, I just don't buy it. Something other than that. Something simpler. I don't buy anything other than "It always was and ever shall be."

Something is clear: John had an artistic mind, he was impaired in terms of emotional intelligence, and he was no philosopher… His mind was full of all sorts of contradictory ideas. And let me repeat it: I love the guy. It’s just that he felt deeply about things, but changed his mind, often irrationally and for no known reason. He was an artist, a musician, a poet –and the best at that, but don’t expect much else from him.

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Oudis said
From the article:
 
His mind was full of all sorts of contradictory ideas.

Contradiction IS Balance...:-)

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So Paul, who is dead, once had a relationship with John, a bi-sexual born-again Jesus devotee, who married Yoko, a satanist, who dated Paul after he was dead before she married John.

That actually makes sense upon close inspection. No wonder John and Yoko went into seclusion.

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Like a few upthread, I believe he could have been learning about Christianity, possibly considering himself Christian, around the time of his death. But he was the type that wanted to explore everything for an answer, just as he had briefly given up drugs for meditation on the trip to India. At that time, he said he was done with drugs altogether, but we know he wasn't. Similarly, he could've thought himself Christian for a while, but maybe if he'd survived he would've moved on trying to find an answer somewhere else.

Politically, I can also believe he voted for Reagan, but I can definitely believe he didn't too.

The fact is: we don't know.

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He wasn't a US Citizen. So he wouldn't have voted for any candidate for President in 1980. I recall, somewhere, he said he had never voted, period; not even in Britain.  Was he enthusiastic about a Reagan Presidency?  Maybe, maybe not. Neil Young even flirted with Reaganism for a time; by the time GW Bush rolled around he wrote "Rockin' in the Free World," so  even Neil Young had his head temporarily turned but found his way back. So, if it was true, obviously John wasn't alone in some temporary Reagan-love, if he even had it to begin with.

 

As for the Christianity, I think it's safe to assume he may have gone through a "born-again" phase sometime in the late 70's. I read a piece in Guideposts (a Christian-themed journal), of all the places, that some missionary's wife wrote about the time John, Yoko and Sean attended her husband's church during a visit to Japan. She'd disliked him for years based on the '66 "Bigger than Jesus" debacle and she was ready to spit nails at him, but he turned out to be a very nice guy, deeply devoted to his son.  The whole gist of the article was not to judge people (as she had judged John before meeting him), but it bears out the alleged swerve to Christianity on his part , as I can't think of a reason this lady would have lied. On the other hand, maybe he just wanted to be in a place where people spoke English.  Who knows? But like so many of John's whims, I think the Christianity whim had passed  by the time he died, based on statements he made towards the end of his life. 

Seaman was the source for both of these stories; I don't know what the general consensus is on him around here. 

People move through time; their opinions change; and especially this one, who, I think, kept hoping  to find THE ANSWER during his all-too-short time on this ride.  

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meanmistermustard said
So Paul, who is dead, once had a relationship with John, a bi-sexual born-again Jesus devotee, who married Yoko, a satanist, who dated Paul after he was dead before she married John.

That actually makes sense upon close inspection. No wonder John and Yoko went into seclusion.

Why are George and Ringo never the subject of this kind of speculation?

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Annadog40 said

meanmistermustard said
So Paul, who is dead, once had a relationship with John, a bi-sexual born-again Jesus devotee, who married Yoko, a satanist, who dated Paul after he was dead before she married John.

That actually makes sense upon close inspection. No wonder John and Yoko went into seclusion.

Why are George and Ringo never the subject of this kind of speculation?

Folk were too busy making up crap on John and Paul that they never had the time to get around to George or Ringo.

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ahdn_paul_06 Found something about George here

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Annadog40 said
ahdn_paul_06 Found something about George here

Thanks Anna for reviving that thread.blue-meanie
 

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