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Jack Douglas erased Lennon's Comments
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9 November 2010
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Jack Ono Lantern said:

I am familiar with that photo.It has been cropped.Watch this vid and you can clearly see the limo and possibly his driver as he is about to get into it,

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v.....NZ2ACfNg50

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I stand corrected, Sir.
30 November 2010
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Not that I'm interested in what those comments were--I'll give JD the benefit of the doubt, he knew and worked with JL, I didn't--but Goldman's swill would be the last source I'd look to for anything resembling the truth.  The guy wasn't a writer, he was a cockroach.  Lots of reasons to dislike his take on John Lennon/Yoko Ono, but obviously he knew that there was a huge audience of people who despise Yoko Ono and thrive on further negativity about her.  So, of course the erased material would address that, in Goldman's cynical mind.  If he could've gotten someone to say that the comments confirmed that she drank the blood of small children and was Saddam Hussein's mistress, he'd have printed that.

 

Again, I have no interest in those comments.  John Lennon left a wealth of words, images, and sounds for us to enjoy.  I'll judge him by what we have and leave the speculation to others.

 

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Time for skye to eat her words-

On page 269 of You Never Give Me Your Money, Doggett quotes Douglas as saying that he erased the tape because it was creepy. I don't see 'divorcing Yoko' as a creepy subject, but at least I can say with some confidence that there was a tape!

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skye said:

Time for skye to eat her words-

On page 269 of You Never Give Me Your Money, Doggett quotes Douglas as saying that he erased the tape because it was creepy. I don't see 'divorcing Yoko' as a creepy subject, but at least I can say with some confidence that there was a tape!


There's something funny about your saying you are eating your words and then looking over at your avatar. It made me chuckle anyway.

Are you really enjoying the book? I've been thinking about getting it, but I am holding off on buying any more Beatles books until the Queen-Mother-of-all-Beatles-Books that Joe posted about comes out in the fall.

As for the topic - I'm not sure if something of that sensitivity should have been released anyway. If I were in John or Yoko's Geta sandals, I wouldn't want my dirty laundry aired either. Still, it should have been up to J or Y to decide, not Jack Douglas.

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Zig said:

skye said:

Time for skye to eat her words-

On page 269 of You Never Give Me Your Money, Doggett quotes Douglas as saying that he erased the tape because it was creepy. I don't see 'divorcing Yoko' as a creepy subject, but at least I can say with some confidence that there was a tape!


There's something funny about your saying you are eating your words and then looking over at your avatar. It made me chuckle anyway.
 

Are you really enjoying the book? I've been thinking about getting it, but I am holding off on buying any more Beatles books until the Queen-Mother-of-all-Beatles-Books that Joe posted about comes out in the fall.

As for the topic - I'm not sure if something of that sensitivity should have been released anyway. If I were in John or Yoko's Geta sandals, I wouldn't want my dirty laundry aired either. Still, it should have been up to J or Y to decide, not Jack Douglas.

two-virgins


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So far I have found it very interesting - I could say that I'm enjoying it, but that doesn't seem right. If you want a better understanding of what broke them up, it's worth reading. Short answer: everything, with most of it stemming from the formation of Apple.
Do agree that it should have been left up to Yoko. My guess? It's something that would have been ignored if John hadn't been murdered. A creepy premonition.
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Thanks, skye – if the Queen-Mother-of-all-Beatles-Books doesn't properly detail the topic in You Never Give Me Your Money, I'll be sure to give it a read.

And, yeah – creepy is right! 

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Whatever was erased is better left unsaid, whether it was of a highly personal nature or "creepy" is inmaterial.  I believe that the incident which prompted George Harrison to walk out on the group during the 'Get Back' sessions was captured on tape initially and erased soon afterwards as well, do any of us really need to hear John & George on the verge of coming to blows?  It's not like The Beatles made a habit of censoring their life very often, on the contrary, they shared more than most of themselves with the world (or, as George put it, "The Beatles gave their nervous systems").  If what Jack Douglas claims is indeed true, then I think it speaks volumes of his character that he would pass on an opportunity to collect unquestionably the Largest PayCheck of His Life had he shared this private moment with everyone, hats off to him if this is the case...:-)

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I have no idea how much of this is true but I came across it just now so pardon me if its nonsense. Below is an excerpt from the article:

 

The Beatles then got up to leave and before they departed John leaned over and told Mansfield about the secret ingredient he’d added to the cocktail he’d made her.

Jayne was killed in a road accident two years later, although not actually decapitated as rumours persist. John remembered the Tarot reading and was alarmed. He was then obsessed with numerology and, in particular, the number nine. He told Hutchins: “Jayne was born on 19 April and she died on 29 June. April is the fourth month and June is the sixth. Add them together and you get ten. I was born on 9 October, the ninth day of the tenth month. She died two months after her birthday, which means I’m going to die on a day with a nine in it, in December.”

 

If what is said is true, could it be that John revealed his fear which JD might have ignored at first only later to see John's fear materialize. May be he felt guilty and destroyed the tapes? I'm merely speculating.

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Expert Textpert said
Maybe John revealed that the CIA was trying to kill him, and Douglas erased the tapes out of fear for his own safety.

I still lean toward believing Fred Seaman's impressions of John in his last year (along with Frank Gifford), which I posted under my previous moniker, "Funny Paper", many moons ago on another thread:

http://www.beatlesbible.com/fo.....on/#p77713

I doubt the CIA would assassinate John Lennon for any reason; I double-doubt it if Seaman's impressions were correct.

As for this other subtopic going on, as to whether this Jack Douglas fellow had the right or obligation to erase those tapes, I find it odd that anyone would even entertain defending that, particularly with a) a famous person, b) whose thoughts on tape were always interesting, c) who according to the tape-eraser himself were germane to his last days (and may even have been of interest to the police investigation for Christ's sake) -- not to mention that, as Zig said above, d) it's not Jack Douglas's decision to make.  As for privacy concerns, consider that description of the making of the tape someone reported above:

John leaned back against the tape machine, where he had delivered so many monologues during the past four months...

-- indicating that this wasn't on a par with a personal diary entry (and even those are often published after the deaths of famous persons).

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