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Jack Douglas erased Lennon's Comments
9 November 2010
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spinalcrackerbox
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Jack Ono Lantern said:

I am familiar with that photo.It has been cropped.Watch this vid and you can clearly see the limo and possibly his driver as he is about to get into it,

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v.....NZ2ACfNg50

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I stand corrected, Sir.
11 November 2010
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mr. Sun king coming together
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Douglas didn't Destroy the tape the next day
He probably found it years later and destroyed it then.
BTW, I hate this feeling of obligation the fans feel with the artist,
Every song a band recorded doesn't belong to us
We don't deserve to hear a song we may want to hear
We are lucky every time the Beatles or anyone else releases an album.

I tried to think of something powerful and moving… and failed.  "You were given a choice between war and dishonor - you chose dishonor, and you shall have war" - Winston Churchill
30 November 2010
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Not that I'm interested in what those comments were--I'll give JD the benefit of the doubt, he knew and worked with JL, I didn't--but Goldman's swill would be the last source I'd look to for anything resembling the truth.  The guy wasn't a writer, he was a cockroach.  Lots of reasons to dislike his take on John Lennon/Yoko Ono, but obviously he knew that there was a huge audience of people who despise Yoko Ono and thrive on further negativity about her.  So, of course the erased material would address that, in Goldman's cynical mind.  If he could've gotten someone to say that the comments confirmed that she drank the blood of small children and was Saddam Hussein's mistress, he'd have printed that.

 

Again, I have no interest in those comments.  John Lennon left a wealth of words, images, and sounds for us to enjoy.  I'll judge him by what we have and leave the speculation to others.

 

Best,

parco63two-virgins

27 January 2011
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Time for skye to eat her words-

On page 269 of You Never Give Me Your Money, Doggett quotes Douglas as saying that he erased the tape because it was creepy. I don't see 'divorcing Yoko' as a creepy subject, but at least I can say with some confidence that there was a tape!

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27 January 2011
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skye said:

Time for skye to eat her words-

On page 269 of You Never Give Me Your Money, Doggett quotes Douglas as saying that he erased the tape because it was creepy. I don't see 'divorcing Yoko' as a creepy subject, but at least I can say with some confidence that there was a tape!


There's something funny about your saying you are eating your words and then looking over at your avatar. It made me chuckle anyway.

Are you really enjoying the book? I've been thinking about getting it, but I am holding off on buying any more Beatles books until the Queen-Mother-of-all-Beatles-Books that Joe posted about comes out in the fall.

As for the topic - I'm not sure if something of that sensitivity should have been released anyway. If I were in John or Yoko's Geta sandals, I wouldn't want my dirty laundry aired either. Still, it should have been up to J or Y to decide, not Jack Douglas.

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27 January 2011
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Zig said:

If I were in John or Yoko's Geta sandals, I wouldn't want my dirty laundry aired either. 


LOL! (About the sandals)

If I seem to act unkind, it's only me, it's not my mind that is confusing things.

28 January 2011
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Zig said:

skye said:

Time for skye to eat her words-

On page 269 of You Never Give Me Your Money, Doggett quotes Douglas as saying that he erased the tape because it was creepy. I don't see 'divorcing Yoko' as a creepy subject, but at least I can say with some confidence that there was a tape!


There's something funny about your saying you are eating your words and then looking over at your avatar. It made me chuckle anyway.
 

Are you really enjoying the book? I've been thinking about getting it, but I am holding off on buying any more Beatles books until the Queen-Mother-of-all-Beatles-Books that Joe posted about comes out in the fall.

As for the topic - I'm not sure if something of that sensitivity should have been released anyway. If I were in John or Yoko's Geta sandals, I wouldn't want my dirty laundry aired either. Still, it should have been up to J or Y to decide, not Jack Douglas.

two-virgins


It is the gift that keeps on giving, isn't it? brian-epstein
So far I have found it very interesting - I could say that I'm enjoying it, but that doesn't seem right. If you want a better understanding of what broke them up, it's worth reading. Short answer: everything, with most of it stemming from the formation of Apple.
Do agree that it should have been left up to Yoko. My guess? It's something that would have been ignored if John hadn't been murdered. A creepy premonition.
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28 January 2011
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Thanks, skye – if the Queen-Mother-of-all-Beatles-Books doesn't properly detail the topic in You Never Give Me Your Money, I'll be sure to give it a read.

And, yeah – creepy is right! 

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28 January 2011
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I Applaud Jack Douglas for erasing the Tape. We Shouldn't hear this tape

I tried to think of something powerful and moving… and failed.  "You were given a choice between war and dishonor - you chose dishonor, and you shall have war" - Winston Churchill
31 January 2011
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This is going a bit off-topic, but if Mark Lewisohn's biog is anything like his other books, it'll end in 1970 (I'm guessing here, though reading Peter Doggett's book shows that The Beatles' story didn't end until around 1976, and even then they went and got back together in 1994).
YNGMYM goes from just before the split and details all the business miseries they went through. Nobody really comes out of it looking good, though you can kind of see their motivations. Essentially they were too young and inexperienced to ever be heads of a multinational business, and before he died Brian Epstein had shielded them from all of that. If they'd had a decent manager from 1968 onwards it probably would have been a lot easier, but wasn't to be. Doggett also shows that they came actually very close to reforming several times in the 1970s, though the stars were never quite aligned.
As for Jack Douglas, as an experienced producer he should know that you never, ever erase historically significant tapes. I can understand emotions getting the better of him, but I don't think it's a laudable action.

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31 January 2011
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It is, because that tape Should NEVER be released

I tried to think of something powerful and moving… and failed.  "You were given a choice between war and dishonor - you chose dishonor, and you shall have war" - Winston Churchill
7 October 2014
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Sorry friends for coming back to this discussion. But John's birthday is coming and I can not stop thinking about it. Perhaps John really knew, but he would not even tell Yoko. He did not want to bother anyone, and had in mind did what he could in life. This relieves me. Think he died happy. But on the other hand, Jack is doing this just to stay thinking about it for a long time. What do you think of that? And you already have news about that?

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Whatever was erased is better left unsaid, whether it was of a highly personal nature or "creepy" is inmaterial.  I believe that the incident which prompted George Harrison to walk out on the group during the 'Get Back' sessions was captured on tape initially and erased soon afterwards as well, do any of us really need to hear John & George on the verge of coming to blows?  It's not like The Beatles made a habit of censoring their life very often, on the contrary, they shared more than most of themselves with the world (or, as George put it, "The Beatles gave their nervous systems").  If what Jack Douglas claims is indeed true, then I think it speaks volumes of his character that he would pass on an opportunity to collect unquestionably the Largest PayCheck of His Life had he shared this private moment with everyone, hats off to him if this is the case...:-)

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7 October 2014
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Jack Douglas is a famous, successful figure in the music industry, he wouldn't have had any great need for whatever financial reward he could've possibly received. And he didn't need to erase potentially historically significant tape, either. I think the right thing to do would've been giving the tape to Yoko in private and let her decide if the world needed to hear what was on it.

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7 October 2014
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I have no idea how much of this is true but I came across it just now so pardon me if its nonsense. Below is an excerpt from the article:

 

The Beatles then got up to leave and before they departed John leaned over and told Mansfield about the secret ingredient he’d added to the cocktail he’d made her.

Jayne was killed in a road accident two years later, although not actually decapitated as rumours persist. John remembered the Tarot reading and was alarmed. He was then obsessed with numerology and, in particular, the number nine. He told Hutchins: “Jayne was born on 19 April and she died on 29 June. April is the fourth month and June is the sixth. Add them together and you get ten. I was born on 9 October, the ninth day of the tenth month. She died two months after her birthday, which means I’m going to die on a day with a nine in it, in December.”

 

If what is said is true, could it be that John revealed his fear which JD might have ignored at first only later to see John's fear materialize. May be he felt guilty and destroyed the tapes? I'm merely speculating.

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