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History of Yoko screaming
9 January 2014
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Yoko's song is the only interesting thing about that clip.  I wish the other people would be quiet so I can hear it better.

I guess it just goes to show if you hate Yoko, you'll just go on hating her.  I like how this guy went searching for footage to back up his hate of Yoko.

Really? John is trying to talk with Michael Lindsay-Hogg, and later George Martin gets involved, about what's going to happen to the Beatles since George has just quit and the most interesting thing you hear is Yoko throwing a tantrum because someone else has John's attention!? Wow!

The Get Back sessions where the stage and setting for the Beatles to rehearse for a live show, tv programme, and album, not for Yoko to do her thing whenever she felt John was elsewhere mentally. 

And again i don't hate Yoko so don't keep saying that very wide generalistion. 

Maybe you're just being sarcastic now, wanting a reaction.

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Expert Textpert said
Yoko's song is the only interesting thing about that clip.  I wish the other people would be quiet so I can hear it better.

I guess it just goes to show if you hate Yoko, you'll just go on hating her.  I like how this guy went searching for footage to back up his hate of Yoko.

Song and 'hate'?  Sorry, I have been with you this far, but at this point I think she just needs to go see a doctor.  John is obviously pissed with her and doing his best to manage it in light of his great love for her at this point in time.  This is not a 'performance', it is childish and petulant behaviour, probably designed to drive home the wedge between her/John and the other remaining Beatles now that George has left.  Total disgrace is about as kindly as I can put it.

 

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Yoko's song is the only interesting thing about that clip.  I wish the other people would be quiet so I can hear it better.

I guess it just goes to show if you hate Yoko, you'll just go on hating her.  I like how this guy went searching for footage to back up his hate of Yoko.

 

Truth be known, I don't "hate" anybody.  It's an emotion that I'm simply not capable of.  Anyone can easily see that everything I've posted here and said here has been all about Yoko's "screaming" & "behaviour", and just because I don't have anything very good to say about her "screaming" or "behaviour", doesn't mean that I "hate" her.  Your repeated attempts at redirecting the topic of 'Yoko screaming' are getting a little pathetic and desperate (although it's perfectly understandable why you'd want to stear the spotlight away from her "screaming"), the thread is not about "Yoko haters", but since you're so eager to talk about this "Yoko hating" concept, here's a recent thread called "doing research – trying to get a full list of Beatles entourage who hated Yokohttp://www.beatlesbible.com/fo…..ated-yoko/  to which you'll notice that I haven't participated in, you'd think that a "Yoko hater" like myself would've jumped at the opportunity to assist in this "research".

 

Maybe a better way to demonstrate that I'm no "Yoko hater" would be for you to start up another thread, perhaps call it 'Peace & Love for Yoko' or something like that, and I'd be quite happy to participate in it and share with you the many positive things that I have to say about Yoko Ono personally, but I have to say that when it comes to her "screaming", I have been about as polite and positive as I can possibly be here while maintaining my honest opinion, I'm not gonna sugarcoat a turd because at the end of the day, it's still a turd, sincerely…:-)

 

 

 

 

9 January 2014
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The person who created that video did so with the express purpose of showing that Yoko is an annoying person. It says so right there on the page. So, this person who thought Yoko was annoying went looking for footage to prove his point and convince others of the same. Sounds like Yoko hating to me.

Also, your post of the video is off topic because it is not a demonstration of Yoko's trademark screech/wail. She is plainly singing the word "John." Feel free to continue stating that your intentions are not to hate on Yoko, but I don't see any other reason for posting the videos. If I like someone, I don't proceed to post videos of things that I find embarrassing or annoying about them so that others can join in with my criticism.

I was being honest when I said her song was the most interesting thing, and I found it to be very creative. Notice that I say "song " and not tantrum, because that's what it is. She is singing and playing the piano.

And my comment was, while being honest, also a little tongue in cheek. She could obviously be a little more aware of her surroundings. However, if someone made a video of something you did that they found annoying and then posted it on the internet, I think that 1) you would not appreciate it and 2) people would not be able to get an accurate picture of the sort of person you are from those 11 minutes, because let's face it--we all do things that others find annoying sometimes.

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Yoko is clearly trying to get John's attention as he is talking to Michael, you can tell by John shouting "what!?" that it wasn't a song. It breaks into the traditional wailing at the end as it becomes into a jam so it is relevant to a topic on Yoko's screaming. 

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Yoko is clearly trying to get John's attention as he is talking to Michael, you can tell by John shouting "what!?" that it wasn't a song. It breaks into the traditional wailing at the end as it becomes into a jam so it is relevant to a topic on Yoko's screaming. 

 

He also clearly states "Stop That!" to which Yoko pays absolutely no attention to him, as I said earlier on, Yoko didn't give a crap about "what John wants".  One thing's for sure, George picked a great day to play hooky…:-)

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Yoko is clearly trying to get John's attention as he is talking to Michael, you can tell by John shouting "what!?" that it wasn't a song. It breaks into the traditional wailing at the end as it becomes into a jam so it is relevant to a topic on Yoko's screaming. 

I did not listen to the end so I stand corrected… But then Billy Rhythm didn't listen that far either so my other points still stand.

Yes, he does say "What?!" but then he starts to sing "Yoko" repeatedly along with her "John" so I think he found it somewhat amusing. Hard to say without seeing his face. I think people will tend to read into the clip what they are predisposed to hear.

 

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9 January 2014
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Well – that was an interesting diversion :)

So – any of the later posters able to add any light to my original question about when John might have heard the screaming for the first time and what he thought about it?

9 January 2014
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Yoko is clearly trying to get John's attention as he is talking to Michael, you can tell by John shouting "what!?" that it wasn't a song. It breaks into the traditional wailing at the end as it becomes into a jam so it is relevant to a topic on Yoko's screaming. 

I did not listen to the end so I stand corrected… But then Billy Rhythm didn't listen that far either so my other points still stand.

Yes, he does say "What?!" but then he starts to sing "Yoko" repeatedly along with her "John" so I think he found it somewhat amusing. Hard to say without seeing his face. I think people will tend to read into the clip what they are predisposed to hear.

 

John joining in with Yoko is more his devotion to Yoko over basic courtesy to his bandmates and others there. You can't excuse Yoko's behaviour because John joins in, both acted like children. If one kid is having a tantrum and another joins in said tantrum you don't say "ow, bless" and give them both the sweetie they crave.

I listened to extracts thru the use of skipping ahead when it got too much in places.

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9 January 2014
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Yoko is clearly trying to get John's attention as he is talking to Michael, you can tell by John shouting "what!?" that it wasn't a song. It breaks into the traditional wailing at the end as it becomes into a jam so it is relevant to a topic on Yoko's screaming. 

I did not listen to the end so I stand corrected… But then Billy Rhythm didn't listen that far either so my other points still stand.

Yes, he does say "What?!" but then he starts to sing "Yoko" repeatedly along with her "John" so I think he found it somewhat amusing. Hard to say without seeing his face. I think people will tend to read into the clip what they are predisposed to hear.

 

John joining in with Yoko is more his devotion to Yoko over basic courtesy to his bandmates and others there. You can't excuse Yoko's behaviour because John joins in, both acted like children. If one kid is having a tantrum and another joins in said tantrum you don't say "ow, bless" and give them both the sweetie they crave.

I listened to extracts thru the use of skipping ahead when it got too much in places.

 Could be….but the "tantrum" is still more interesting to me than the conversation. Not trying to annoy anyone, just being honest.

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9 January 2014
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meanmistermustard said
Yoko is clearly trying to get John's attention as he is talking to Michael, you can tell by John shouting "what!?" that it wasn't a song. It breaks into the traditional wailing at the end as it becomes into a jam so it is relevant to a topic on Yoko's screaming. 

I did not listen to the end so I stand corrected… But then Billy Rhythm didn't listen that far either so my other points still stand.

Yes, he does say "What?!" but then he starts to sing "Yoko" repeatedly along with her "John" so I think he found it somewhat amusing. Hard to say without seeing his face. I think people will tend to read into the clip what they are predisposed to hear.

 

John joining in with Yoko is more his devotion to Yoko over basic courtesy to his bandmates and others there. You can't excuse Yoko's behaviour because John joins in, both acted like children. If one kid is having a tantrum and another joins in said tantrum you don't say "ow, bless" and give them both the sweetie they crave.

I listened to extracts thru the use of skipping ahead when it got too much in places.

I'm wondering if this might have been THE 'Yoko before the Beatles moment'?  He starts of trying to get her to shut up (at least two times), then starts to join in – maybe thinking "you know, I actually want her more than that lot" – even if subconsciously.  If so, while I find the whole thing very uncomfortable, it may well be quite historic in terms of the split.

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I'm wondering if this might have been THE 'Yoko before the Beatles moment'?  He starts of trying to get her to shut up (at least two times), then starts to join in – maybe thinking "you know, I actually want her more than that lot" – even if subconsciously.  If so, while I find the whole thing very uncomfortable, it may well be quite historic in terms of the split.

 

Very "historic" indeed, most volumes reference the 4 different occasions where each took their turn at "leaving the group" as a centrepiece for discussing "the split", and this is what transpired after George "quit".  It's a testament to Paul, George & Ringo's loyalty and devotion to John for tolerating her presence in the studio for as long as they did…:-)

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I don't choose to listen to Yoko too much but I can appreciate what she is doing and I can see why John would be interested in him. Both he and the other guys liked things that sounded different. Even from the beginning they gravitated towards sound that were not entirely mainstream, especially in England, whether it was early Motown or Dylan or Ravi Shankar or Cage and Stockhausen. To this day, I hear people say that they can't stand the music of Dylan (or Neil Young for that matter) because of their voices but I love them precisely because they are different. It seems to me that The Beatles tended to feel the same way – they were uninterested in the same old sounds even from the very beginning. I'm curious whether the people who write off Yoko's music feel the same or differently about, say, The Velvet Underground's European Son or their song The Gift, or the pieces by Cage from the mid-60s, or Indian music in general.

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Plus of course – if the live preview of the "John"-"Yoko" 'song' intrigued you – the full studio version is available on The Wedding Album where it took up the whole of the original Side 1.

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trcanberra said Also, anyone know what John thought of it when he first heard it?

"That's a woman screaming." 

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Necko said

trcanberra said Also, anyone know what John thought of it when he first heard it?

"That's a woman screaming." 

Not "what an amazingly artistic avant garde piece of singing"?  :)

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trcanberra said

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trcanberra said Also, anyone know what John thought of it when he first heard it?

"That's a woman screaming." 

Not "what an amazingly artistic avant garde piece of singing"?  :)

Perhaps it was, "What did I do to make her so upset that she's screaming at me?" Then when she explained to him that it was her "art", he was so relieved that he subliminally started liking it.

 

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I wonder if they poke fun at The Beatles on the Yoko forum.

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I wonder if they poke fun at The Beatles on the Yoko forum.

Does such a forum exist?

Edit: To answer my own question, yes, it does: http://www.topix.com/forum/who/yoko-ono

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IveJustSeenAFaceo said

Expert Textpert said
I wonder if they poke fun at The Beatles on the Yoko forum.

Does such a forum exist?

Edit: To answer my own question, yes, it does: http://www.topix.com/forum/who/yoko-ono

It doesn't look very awesome.

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