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8 January 2014
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meanmistermustard said

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Riveting conversation.

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I'm one of the ones who believes they would have split in the early 80's.

Interesting thought to contemplate.

I haven't delved into my John Lennon Signature Box set that I got for Christmas yet. Will I be hearing her "art" on these cds?

Some of it is amongst the material of Some Time In New York City (what was an extra LP at the time of original release - a lovely addition too); Don't Worry Kyoko runs for 16 minutes, Au just over 8 minutes. Nothing like trying new music.a-hard-days-night-john-7ahdn_paul_01a-hard-days-night-paul-7

T'will be an eye-opening (or shall I say an ear-opening) experience. Hummm, or ear-splitting?

 

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Billy Rhythm said

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Maybe something like John's 'In My Life' would be a better example than a painting, he sings "there are places I remember" in the first-person, but the listener becomes the "I" in the song and thinks about their own "places" that they personally "remember".

I was thinking about this concept just the other day. I do this personalization with other singers, but when it comes to listening to Beatles music, I always just think of them and what they were thinking when they wrote/sang the song (like the song you mention here). Or when they sing a song like "Eight Days A Week," I can only imagine that is one of the Beatles singing it to a girl they are in love with. I can't see it as a song a guy would sing to another girl. I can do that with other singers, but not them. Perhaps one day I will gain some distance from them and do the personalization thing with their songs.?.? Perhaps I am just too much into a phase of learning about their history and their personalities.

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This is another song I can't get enough of. The album "Fly" is pure genius. Also, if I had to choose which "Plastic Ono Band" album was better, I'd go with Yoko.

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Expert Textpert said
Yoko's music is brilliant.  It's a precursor of experimental post-punk free-form jams such as you hear sometimes with Sonic Youth--feedback, out-of-tune guitars, occasional screaming and nonsensical phrases....either you're into that kind of avant-garde thing or you're not, but you can't dismiss it as not being real music, or as evidence that Yoko had no talent.  If you dismiss it, you're just not understanding it.

And Don't Worry Kyoko is one of my favorite songs...it rocks really hard.

Hmm - real music - I reckon that 95% of the world would say it wasn't.  Not sure that part matters either way.  I just find 25 minutes of shrieks with little variation and the odd bit of feedback dull as dishwater.  I realise some don't - and great for you this is around to entertain you.  I have listened to it all at least twice, and they are the only pieces of 'music' out of my 1000 or so CD collection where I find myself looking at my watch and wondering how long is left to go.  The only part I find brilliant is how she managed to have us listen to all of this just because she hooked up with John (and yes, I even appreciate Sonic Youth and Neil Young's Arc CD).

Same goes of course for modern art.  Some find a piece of canvas coloured all red and named 'War' art - and since enough people think so it makes it so.  Still won't stop me calling it rubbish  - and I do that with very little that claims to be art.

 

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Expert Textpert said
Yoko's music is brilliant.  It's a precursor of experimental post-punk free-form jams such as you hear sometimes with Sonic Youth--feedback, out-of-tune guitars, occasional screaming and nonsensical phrases....either you're into that kind of avant-garde thing or you're not, but you can't dismiss it as not being real music, or as evidence that Yoko had no talent.  If you dismiss it, you're just not understanding it.

And Don't Worry Kyoko is one of my favorite songs...it rocks really hard.

 

There's nothing "occasional" about Yoko's screaming in the experimental tracks discussed (especially 'Don't Worry Kyoko&#39a-hard-days-night-george-10, it's a constant noise throughout that's not very pleasant to the human ear and virtually unlistenable for most.  I remember one reviewer going so far to say that it sounds "like a severely disabled child being beaten repeatedly" which as cruel as it sounds, wasn't all that far off the mark really.

 

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Again, on the Toronto concert, what John and Eric are doing with their guitars, creating the dissonance and feedback--they were way ahead of their time.  A lot of bands are copying that now.

 

 

Sure, John's guitar sounds fantastic, the few times that you can actually hear it while Yoko drowns him out with the Banshee Wailing.

 

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Yeah, Walking On Thin Ice is one of my favorites too, and John's last creative work ever, and one of his best. a-hard-days-night-john-5

 

 

Again, I don't hear anybody complaining about John's experimental guitar work, I would've loved to have heard more of it.  Comparing 'Walking On Thin Ice' (which hit #1 on the UK's Dance Charts last year) to 'Don't Worry Kyoko (Mummy's Only Looking For Her Hand In The Snow)' musically is like comparing 'A Day In The Life' to one of those old school bell fire alarms.  The topic is about the 'History of Yoko screaming', and the OP's efforts to understand its nature, despite not particularly enjoying what they're hearing.  Yoko (and John) outgrew this style after kicking heroin which tells me enough about its inspiration, they BOTH began to tone it down after that and yes, Yoko came up with some interesting and eclectic songs too.

 

The bizarre and often irritating noise stemming from their early 1968-69 works had more of a purpose, in my opinion.  John had long been fed up with his "huggable" Beatle image, with Yoko, he set out to smash it down once and for all.  Almost as though, "here, you want some more 'Hard Day's Night'?  Pin me new 'Two Virgins' album to yer bedroom walls!"  or, "So yer Mum really digs 'When I'm Sixty-Four?  Play me new live recording of 'Cambridge 1969' for her!"  His 'White Album' songs are downright vicious at times, 'Happiness Is A Warm Gun', 'Yer Blues' or the very appropriate 'Everybody's Got Something To Hide Except For Me & My Monkey'.  Yoko was quite happy to show him a most effective way to burn the collarless jacket forever, and two years later in 1970?  "I was the Walrus, but now I'm John".  The "purpose" and driving force behind John & Yoko's "art" is so very clear and obvious that most miss the point of it...:-)  

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 The bizarre and often irritating noise stemming from their early 1968-69 works had more of a purpose, in my opinion.  John had long been fed up with his "huggable" Beatle image, with Yoko, he set out to smash it down once and for all.  Almost as though, "here, you want some more 'Hard Day's Night'?  Pin me new 'Two Virgins' album to yer bedroom walls!"  or, "So yer Mum really digs 'When I'm Sixty-Four?  Play me new live recording of 'Cambridge 1969' for her!"  His 'White Album' songs are downright vicious at times, 'Happiness Is A Warm Gun', 'Yer Blues' or the very appropriate 'Everybody's Got Something To Hide Except For Me & My Monkey'.  Yoko was quite happy to show him a most effective way to burn the collarless jacket forever, and two years later in 1970?  "I was the Walrus, but now I'm John".  The "purpose" and driving force behind John & Yoko's "art" is so very clear and obvious that most miss the point of it...:-)  

And it was no coincidence that once John was on his own without Yoko and started seeing May, that was the time period he was allowed to somewhat look back at his time as a Beatle with some fondness. He credited his three fellow Beatles on Walls And Bridges, did that Toot and a Snore session with Paul, and other happenings well documented on this forum... none of that was going on with Yoko. Granted, John would still felt bitterness about the whole breakup and whatnot even without Yoko adding fuel to the fire, but she did and all that you mentioned above was the end result. And to further add to it, look what happened when John went on his "Lost Weekend..."

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You think that reunion's happening with the Yokster around?

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wetsroosa said

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^ Wow - she is so full of her own importance.  I like Frost's response at that 36.00 minute mark about the famous spouse - how many people would give her the time of day if she was not married to John?  All very well for her to say she has important things of her own to say, so do I, but no one gives me time on a major TV show to say them.
The more of this sort of thing I see the more convinced I am that she just pursued John as a vehicle to get herself a larger stage.

True, but I might be inclined to give you time on a minor radio show to rectify it. Hey, media's media, right? a-hard-days-night-george-10

If you do can all of us here ask her questions? I'd love to see an "ask Yoko a question?" thread. I doubt many would get past her PR people tho.

 

Now there's an episode... "This week, members of the Fab Forum ask Yoko the HARD HITTING questions... and I promptly get cease-and-desisted. Only on this week's Fab Files!"

What harm is there in asking "why do you persist on selling the johnandyoko myth which nearly everyone knows is nonsense?".

Going thru Gould's chapter on Yoko in "Can't Buy Me Love: The Beatles, Great Britain and America" it seems like whilst most of what she was involved in were exhibitions like "Cut Piece", Yoko did present "a concert of quasi-musical performance pieces, that were heavily influenced by John Cage"  in a "small recital recital theater adjoining Carnegie Hall" which wiki (admittedly not a great source) describes as featuring "radical experimental music and performances".

I had forgotten Yoko had been married twice before John. 

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